Squishy
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That show/tag was for DVC not after hours
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News Epcot Forever to debut as interim show before full Reflections of Earth replacement
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Chef idea Mickey`=
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Easy. The Love Letter was from Walt's Vision
Chef idea Mickey`=
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Literally people complained about Illumination's ROE for it's dead time, then came Epcot Forever and Harmonious with none and now you get Luminous with it! Which is why enjoy because any ask for change doesn't mean it's going to be changed just saying.
Chef idea Mickey`=
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Harmonious will forever be considered just a 50th Anniversary showcase highlight but why must some or all of the music pieces from this show need to be forgotten. If you took the music it's no more different than Luminious just fuller than just a snippet. Imagine highlighting some of Harmonious using existing pyro Luminous barges it could give a bit of power and action to improve Luminous perhaps....
The song from Aladdin was... problematic.
The song from PatF was way overcooked.
SoFloMagic
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Harmonious was a clip show designed to show diverse voices. It was a product of the moment and ended up kind of backfiring and playing into stereotypes instead. Luminous is significantly better and would downgraded by allowing any of that garbage within 500 feet of it
danlb_2000
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I just watched EPCOT Becoming: Inside the Transformation and they have a whole segment about Luminous being a part of the transformation but zero mention of Harmonious. As you say they clearly want people forget about it.
Starship824
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As someone who didn't get to see the special, how much of it was spent on luminous and it was the section actually good unlike the behind the attraction nighttime spectaculars episode. The thing about the behind the attraction episode that annoyed me so much was that they spent 10 minutes on harmonious and didn't even mention reflections of Earth at all.
Chef idea Mickey`=
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No one would ever buy into any such reason why they would want to replace Illumination's or get rid for this!
Chef idea Mickey`=
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Aside from those the Beauty and the Beast/Out There, Music is my Language - Coco, Someday and Hercules/Go the distance. An After Hours presentation with only pyro may change audiences thoughts since the barges aren't there..
But if they were to pop in Epcot Forever for after hours like they do Enchantment then I'd be happy with that!
Rich Brownn
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It's our version of Light Magic
<Whats that? Of course Disneyland never had a parade called that. What are you talking about -- its been erased from existence> LOL
Bocabear
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I remember in the Von's grocery store in the town where I was living in California back then, had a gigantic medallion graphic of Light Magic Logo on the floor of the grocery store entrance and a bunch of ticket and product promotions tied to it... They were really planning on it being absolutely huge.... Even widened the path to Small World, added lighting rigs and raised viewing areas....Sadly it was gone before I even had the time to go see it....It's our version of Light Magic
It was probably also like our "Rivers Of Light" flop....
Rich Brownn
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The first night of Light Magic is legendary - and not in a good way. There are no references about it in any current material.
Tom Morrow
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One thing that I like about Luminous is that it follows that old entertainment rule: Tell, don't show.
At least it has something to tell. The only thing Harmonious had to say was "subscribe to Disney+".
MatheusPG
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Luminous still tells the same thing as Harmonious: subscribe to Disney+. The only difference between them is that management shoved in an exposition-heavy narration to try to justify a bunch of repeated Disney+ music in Epcot, and two original songs. It's still the same narrative and story structure, but in a more cynical way...
HMF
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It still doesn't tell as much as Reflections of Earth did.
HMF
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Bingo!
Tom Morrow
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Luminous does have a unified theme and concept though with heartbeats. References to heartbeats and heartbeat visuals tie the show together in addition to the narration. Harmonious had no cohesive visual theme, every segment was not only musically and thematically separated from the others, but visually as well.
They also don't have the same "message" either. Harmonious was something something music connects us. Luminous is "the shared human experience".
I am IN NO WAY saying that either is anywhere near as good as Reflections of Earth. I was quick to hate on Luminous as being a rehash of Harmonious before seeing it. But I have seen it three times now and am 3/3 for it making me feel something, which is 3 times more than Harmonious ever made me feel anything. There IS more thought put into Luminous than it appears at a glance.
Edit: even digging a little deeper, the pyro in Luminous is presented in a visually artistic and interesting way, whereas in Harmonious the pyro was kind of just constant accents to whatever the barges were doing. I know that sounds pretentious, but it was just immediately apparent to me that more thought was put into the presentation of the pyro in Luminous than Harmonious. Luminous paces itself with what it shows you, Harmonious was on full blast the entire time.
MTBaymax
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Hot take.
Every nighttime spectacular - 90% of them, anyway (which wasn’t the first 35 years of Epcot nighttime events, Rivers of Light 1.0, or BraviSEAmo), has IP baked into it. Anyone could look at them with today’s cynical eye and consider the same “subscribe to Disney+” statement.
Execution makes the difference.
Tom Morrow
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I agree that it really is the execution. Luminous is of course an IP heavy show, but the selections to me feel tastefully chosen to support the theme of the show. In some instances they are even recontextualizing the songs. Harmonious just felt like a random greatest hits playlist, but in different languages, because Epcot.