5-year-old’s mom finds sad parentless pattern in Disney film

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By STACY MILBOUER
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The lights went down in the theater and an audible click could be heard as the audience stopped talking, chewing and crumbling candy wrappers. The movie was about to begin and the audience was enthralled. After all, this was a top-grossing film at the box office when it opened last weekend and it’s been getting rave reviews since. And the trailers were irresistible.

The film opens with the scene of expectant parents literally floating off the ground in anticipation of the imminent birth of their first offspring.

They pick out names for their babies – it’s a multiple birth – voice their fears of becoming good parents and reminisce about the day they met. And then without warning the violence begins.

Their new home is invaded and the audience witnesses the bloody and violent death of the mother-to-be as well as all but one of her babies. Sound gruesome? Well, get this. The average age of the viewers crammed into the theater was 5. They were all there “Finding Nemo” and my 5-year-old son and I were among those searching.

All parents of small children can’t wait for the newest Disney film to open. After all, there isn’t much out there for kids 9 and under, right? And this has pretty much been true since I was a child in the days before VCRs, DVDs and HBO.

I have been renting out and taking my son to Disney films since he was 1.

And as delighted as I’ve been by “Tarzan,” “Lion King” and “Dinosaur,” I always left the movie feeling uneasy. I may have been humming “Hakuna Matata.” I may have raced to McDonald’s to buy a happy meal for the “Monsters Inc.” action figure. But I was also feeling creepy.

This weekend’s viewing of “Nemo” nailed it on the head. Barely 10 minutes into these animated features, a parent meets with a violent death often with their soon-to-be orphaned children watching. Tarzan’s hapless parents are slaughtered in a leopard attack. Simba’s father, Mufasa, is trampled to death by wildebeest and Aldar, the dinosaur star of “Dinosaur,” is the sole survivor of a T-Rex attack on a nest of dinosaur eggs. After putting up a brave fight for her young, the mother dinosaur is chased off by the predator, never to be seen again. We’re left to assume she died of mortal wounds.

Why this didn’t occur to me sooner, I don’t know. After all, who as a youngster wasn’t traumatized by “Bambi”? It wasn’t enough for Disney to off the cuddly doe’s mom by a vicious hunter, but first we had to see the mother and child frolicking in the sunlight, playing with butterflies and bonding like all get-out. If that were the only instance of parenticide, we could let it slide. Apparently, after Bambi’s success in 1942, Disney studios came upon a formula that worked. I mean, they didn’t even take the time to change the plot in 1981’s “The Fox and the Hound.” The baby fox’s mother was also done in by a rifle-wielding predator.

From what I can guess, the parent murders at the start of these films is a plot device to show that the lead characters – always children – grow up alone or with a single parent, despite the trauma of losing a parent so young and so needlessly.

This is not a bad message. Life sometimes does throw some nasty stuff our way when we’re young and it’s a good lesson to know that we can survive and perhaps thrive despite it all. In fact, among the group of children that viewed the movie with my son were children who had lost a parent to a senseless, violent death.

Do we have to see it again and again and again? I mean, for God’s sake, we went to see a fishy movie. There were 3-year-olds in the audience who couldn’t grab their mother’s arms tightly enough when they saw what fate Nemo’s mama met. “This is too scary,” said one little girl. “It’s too sad,” said another.

OK, the truth is not all Disney movies show a parent dying. With few exceptions, there is hardly a family around with two living parents and that often means having to fend for oneself – a la Lilo of “Lilo and Stitch,” Aladdin or Peter Pan (who had to resort to cajoling a little girl into becoming the surrogate mother for a whole island of motherless “Lost Boys”).

There’s also the Cinderella /Snow White/Quasimodo model when you’re stuck with some psycho stepparent who wants nothing more than to steal your money – youth – beauty, (you fill in the blank) and then kill you or lock you up forever. Nice stuff.

And then finally there are Disney’s single parents who tend to be geriatric or altogether clueless – Belle’s dad in “Beauty and the Beast,” Ariel’s pop, King Triton and Mrs. Jumbo in “Dumbo,” just to name a few.

And there’s Geppetto, who falls into a category all his own. He’s geriatric, clueless and, let’s face it, a tad creepy. I mean, he’s like 85 and decides he’s going to make a son out of wood – yuck.

I’m all for showing diversity in movies. Kids should know that there are single parents, old parents and yes, even dead parents.

But if life were really like a Disney movie, having a child would mean a certain death sentence and being a child would be one frightening prospect.

Give me “Daddy Day Care” or “Mrs. Doubtfire” any day. For as farfetched as it might seem that your father would cross dress to be close to you or that he’d start a nursery in the living room when he lost his job, it beats watching him be trampled by wildebeest.
 

DisneyPhD

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While I am very aware of the trend (being a clinical social worker / therapist myself) and having taught preschool for 5 years before that, Disney is not the only one with this pattern. In fact many children's books deal with this subject and fairy tales too. (Among my favorites is Anne of Green Gables, Annie, Bridge to Tabritha (so spelled wrong.)


However when you have children who are very dear to you that actually have a parent die you become even more aware of it. My brother's wife died 5 years ago (breast cancer) leaving him to raise 3 children who were all under the age of 7 at the time. (with a great deal of help from me and my hubby and other family members.) I remember at the time he was able to use the Lion King Story to help them deal understand and deal with the topic also to adress the fear of the possibilty of their other parent dying and talk to their friends about how unlikely it was that something would happen to their parents.


So while it is uncomfortable to talk your children about our very worst fears (leaving them parentless), when dealed with the right way it can be a stepping stone to talk about a very serious subject. I haven't seen Nemo yet, but I do know that my brother, the single father is really looking forward to it. Single fathers aren't given enough credit now a days.

This isn't coming out the way I want it to, but the topic is recurring in many childrens lititure, not only Disney.
 

JLW11Hi

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I guess what I feel is that these stories use these dramatic scenes to obviously add drama and interest to the story. Folks, they have movie ratings for a reason. I think its unfair to Disney (wait a minute...Pixar!) that people use the common steryotype that all their movies are rated G and there is nothing to worry about when bringing their kids. I believe Nemo was PG, and probably for this very reason. Stull, it is made out to sound like a "violent, bloody scene", when it really wasnt. It just imlpies the death, there is no blood. The scene was needed to justify Marlin's overprotetiveness of his only son.

Half of the early Disney movies are based on classic fariy tales or books. Snow White, Bambi, Alice in Wonderland, Pinnoccio, Peter Pan, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and the Beast, even the Lion King was supposedly taken from a pre written story. You'd have to correct me if the original copies of these works did or didn't have the same single parent formula. And still, it was ultimately Disney's choice if they wanted to keep the original stuff in their movie. So why so many scenes of family death? As he implied, mabey it just worked?

Still, as said, Disney is not the only one that does this. In Warner's The Iron Giant, there is a single parent. In the Powerpuff Girls, there is a single parent. In Blue Sky's Ice Age, there is a "violent" scene in which the Mammoth recalls the day his wife and son were attacked and killed by hunters. THe only movies I remember there being two parents in recently are Jimmy Neutron, Rugrats, Spirited Away, and the Wild Thornberries Movie, and if I'm not mistaken, they are all steryotyped as dorky clueless parents, so saying that the single parents are the only ones being given a silly image is a bit wrong. I think these "clueless" characters are always used because, well, kids like that! Its used in pretty much all cartoons nowadays.

And we aren't saying all DIsney movies focus on the idea of single parents or the loss of a parent anyway. Monsters Inc, Alice in Wonderland, Fantasia, 101 Dalmations, Lady and the Tramp, Robin Hood, Song of the South, Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Roger Rabbit, the Nightmare Before Christmas, The Emporer's New Grove, Pochahontas, Hercules, none of these have that stuff.

I guess when making these movies, sometimes the absence of a parent or parents just comes naturally. Like a Goofy Movie...I don't recall Goofy ever being married, do you? Of course, I dont remember him having a son before Goof Troop, but I think we can all see Goofy as a bumbling dorky dad more than a husband...who would marry this guy anyway? In Peter Pan, it was a MAJOR plot point, one that had to be carried from the original story. And I don't see Dumbo's single parent-ness having much meaning, as it wasnt a main focus of the movie.

In Aladin, there was once talk of giving him a mother in the story, but they cut it out. Why? I can see that it would have been too much of a side story and just wasnt improtant to the whole movie. Mabey this is why parents can be cut out so much. Perhaps its troubling for writers to wonder "what to do" with the parent during the course of the movie. Sometimes it just gets in the way of the actual story, so they just have the kid on their own like in Aladdin. It might sound silly, but these types of things really do matter to the guys in charge of story development. Walt and others had entire already animated scenes cut out of movies because they wern't needed and interfered with the progress of the story. If it isnt needed, why have it?

But still, it sounds like the death of the parent is the major part of the movie, and thats it. When I came out of Finding Nemo, I wasn't uneasy, I was very enlightened. Thats why they have the rest of the movie to get through the traumatic stuff.

These are just my opinions though :)
 

careship

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I have always been uneasy about the violence in some of the movies as well. But I look at the movie over and over and have to say it is part of the plot, it wouldn't be what it is without it. There are many without the violence. Animated and non-animated just so few. The Rookie I will always say was the best thing to come out of DIsney in a long time. No violence, no swearing, a real family, a fun plot and nobody got hurt. It was also a movie boys can relate too. Alot of the movies over the years have been very girlie. It has changed alot over the years, they are more for everyone, yet they throw the adult humor in that I find un needed. I see they want to appeal to the whole family, but as my boys get older, they are beginning to catch some of these jokes. Not thrilling me. SOmewhere along the line orignality will make its way back into the forefront of movie making...I hope. They'll run out of ways to remake everything else.
 

JLW11Hi

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Ok, I've been thinking about this for a while today, and this just occured to me. The only convincing problem I can see that could traumatize kids is when there is an actual scene where a parental figure is killed, whether we do or don't see it.

Well, the only movies I can think of that show this are the Lion King, which the article obviously lies a large amount of emphasis on, even though it was years ago now...the scene was a major plot point anyway. Tarzan, it was a major plot point, and Bambi it was a major plot point. And I'm, sorry, but as sad as the scene is in Bambi, it is one of the most dramatic and emotional well done scenes pulled of in an animated feature. The story guys were originally going to show Bambi's mother actually get killed (now, how would THAT have been to the poor kiddies?)...but it was determined by, mabey Walt, that they should not show it happen, but rather show Bambi while it is happening as he slowly realizes he lost his mother. I mean, they could hae made it much happier, where the mother doesn't die, but I guess down inside I kinda feel that they wern't just making the movies for the kids, they were making them for everyone, and as such were treated like works of art (which I feel they are).

Finding Nemo isnt even Disney at all anyway, its Pixar. And looking at Pixar's movie library, this is the FIRST time this has ever been done in one of their movies. So to put blame on them for frequently having traumatizing scenes in their movies seems wrong to me.

The only movies I can see a scene like this not being needed were the Fox and the Hound, and maybe Dinosaur, which wern't the greatest movies anyways.
 

BRER STITCH

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Whatever justifications or explanations everyone wants to attempt to make about this topic are fine.

However...when the 4 year old behind me kept asking "Where is Nemo's mommy?" I began to feel the scene may have not been necessary.

After all...with both parents alive, the story still could have taken place the same way.

:cool:
 

Tigggrl

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All I have to say about this is.....Had this person who wrote the article ever taken the time to read the original Grimm's Fairy Tales, on which some of the movies had been taken from?? Those were originally written for children, and for the most part they end in violent ways. Disney took the stories and made them much more easier to handle for small children.
If you arent happy with the films, go to the library instead!:rolleyes: :brick:
 

Yellow Shoes

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It's a time-honored literary norm.

Name me a TV show or movie with an intact family--birth parents and children in the same house--and I'll name you 3 that aren't.

Same with fairy tales.

I've forgotten all I ever knew about child psych, but it has something to do with identifying and facing this major childhood fear. It is a healthy and normal stage of development.
 

JLW11Hi

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Originally posted by BRER STITCH
Whatever justifications or explanations everyone wants to attempt to make about this topic are fine.

However...when the 4 year old behind me kept asking "Where is Nemo's mommy?" I began to feel the scene may have not been necessary.

After all...with both parents alive, the story still could have taken place the same way.

:cool:

yeah, that is true for Finding Nemo, I was just justifying the rest of the accused movies in my post. THey could have kept the parents alive, but lose the eggs like they had done, and it would have been a little better for the kids. Maybe if the mother was one who had a sensible mind with Nemo and tried to calm her husband down, but then is left behind after Marlin swims off into nowhere to find Nemo.
 

BRER STITCH

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Originally posted by JLW11Hi
Maybe if the mother was one who had a sensible mind with Nemo and tried to calm her husband down, but then is left behind after Marlin swims off into nowhere to find Nemo.


HAHA....A funny thought just occurred to me -- the scene as described worked very well in Hanna-Barbera's Holiday Classic "Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer"!

:lol:
 

TURKEY

New Member
Originally posted by BRER STITCH
Whatever justifications or explanations everyone wants to attempt to make about this topic are fine.

However...when the 4 year old behind me kept asking "Where is Nemo's mommy?" I began to feel the scene may have not been necessary.

After all...with both parents alive, the story still could have taken place the same way.

:cool:

It seemed that Marlin was afraid of venturing too far with his wife. Her dying intensified his fear even more. With her alive, the plot of the story wouldn't have been as easily portrayed as it was.
 

careship

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Originally posted by Tigggrl
All I have to say about this is.....Had this person who wrote the article ever taken the time to read the original Grimm's Fairy Tales, on which some of the movies had been taken from?? Those were originally written for children, and for the most part they end in violent ways. Disney took the stories and made them much more easier to handle for small children.
If you arent happy with the films, go to the library instead!:rolleyes: :brick:

Ah, thank you. I referred to this earlier when I was trying to point the difference between original stories and those taken from books and tales. I am glad I am not the only one who realizes this.
 

FigmentJedi

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Originally posted by BRER STITCH
HAHA....A funny thought just occurred to me -- the scene as described worked very well in Hanna-Barbera's Holiday Classic "Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer"!

:lol:
Rankin Bass made the Rudolph special.
 

MickeyTigg

New Member
What ever happened to watching and enjoying a movie for entertainment sake? Why must some people have analyze everything...to the point that watching a movie is unenjoyable?

:hammer:
 

darthdarrel

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Originally posted by Tigger Boing
What ever happened to watching and enjoying a movie for entertainment sake? Why must some people have analyze everything...to the point that watching a movie is unenjoyable?

:hammer:
Cause we are talking about Children here and children don`t always just watch a movie,they always want to know "WHY"?
Even I have to admit when I was a child I hated Bambi cause the death of his father and the incarceration of his mother terrified me,ask my mother I went out of that theatre crying my guts out and holding on to my dad for dear life,actually making him bleed! :eek:
 

BRER STITCH

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by darthdarrel
Cause we are talking about Children here and children don`t always just watch a movie,they always want to know "WHY"?
Even I have to admit when I was a child I hated Bambi cause the death of his father and the incarceration of his mother terrified me...



BINGO!

:cool:
 

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