3rd gate ideas?

Darkbeer1

Darkbeer1

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choco choco said:
I think step one of this is for us to actually agree on how much space is available at the strawberry lots. Darkbeer is claiming one thing. The maps is showing another. And I don't think anyone here is clear which of the surrounding housing properties around the lots are also owned by Disney for intended future use.
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Disney owns NONE of the surrounding properties. Disney has to disclose to the city what it owns, and it has been clear, they own no properties in the Resort area through holding groups, etc.

Disney does have ownership of some condos on Walnut Street for relocation use, but not enough to be a major influence in the large project.

There are 2 pieces of land that Disney owns, the former K-Lot property, which is zoned as build by right as part of the DRSP. So they can do almost anything on that property.

The Former Strawberry Fields is still zoned for Farming. The city did place a temporary use permit for parking lot use, but that expires soon, and will have to go through the Planning Commission process again. So basically, can't do anything without the permission of the city.

See pages 3-3 and 3-5 of the link below.

 
socalifornian

socalifornian

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Darkbeer1 said:
Disney owns NONE of the surrounding properties. Disney has to disclose to the city what it owns, and it has been clear, they own no properties in the Resort area through holding groups, etc.

Disney does have ownership of some condos on Walnut Street for relocation use, but not enough to be a major influence in the large project.

There are 2 pieces of land that Disney owns, the former K-Lot property, which is zoned as build by right as part of the DRSP. So they can do almost anything on that property.

The Former Strawberry Fields is still zoned for Farming. The city did place a temporary use permit for parking lot use, but that expires soon, and will have to go through the Planning Commission process again. So basically, can't do anything without the permission of the city.

See pages 3-3 and 3-5 of the link below.

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Were they able to switch Mickey & Friends/Pixar out of farming?
 
DLR92

DLR92

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Darkbeer1 said:
Disney owns NONE of the surrounding properties. Disney has to disclose to the city what it owns, and it has been clear, they own no properties in the Resort area through holding groups, etc.

Disney does have ownership of some condos on Walnut Street for relocation use, but not enough to be a major influence in the large project.

There are 2 pieces of land that Disney owns, the former K-Lot property, which is zoned as build by right as part of the DRSP. So they can do almost anything on that property.

The Former Strawberry Fields is still zoned for Farming. The city did place a temporary use permit for parking lot use, but that expires soon, and will have to go through the Planning Commission process again. So basically, can't do anything without the permission of the city.

See pages 3-3 and 3-5 of the link below.

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Isn’t the strawberry field part of the DRSP? 🤔
Nevermind. The the plan speaks itself.
 
Darkbeer1

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DLR92 said:
Isn’t the strawberry field part of the DRSP? 🤔
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No, when the DSRP was approved in 1993, the Strawberry Field was not owned by Disney, just like the Paradise Pieer Hotel, which isn't part of the DRSP.

Disneyland Resort Specific Plan | Anaheim, CA - Official Website

Browse through the Disneyland Resort Specific Plan number 92-1.
www.anaheim.net www.anaheim.net

The Strawberry Field bought by Disney is still zoned for Farming/Agriculture. Disney did get a temporary use permit for parking use, that is expiring soon. So Disney has to either get a new limited use and time Parking exception, or apply for a permanent zoning change. If Disney opts for that, they will have to give up land for the Gene Autry Way extension to the Convention Center, or find a way to accommodate it, such as building an underground road, at Disney expense. But the street has been part of the city's General Plan before the DRSP was approved.
 
Rich T

Rich T

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I seriously don’t think think there will ever be a third park. Also, I think waterparks are hitting their peak and will start declining as 1) the population continues to age (most people reach a point where waterslides just aren’t interesting anymore) 2) Lawsuits increase 3) The cost and hassle just aren’t worth it to most people 4) Future health concerns give us even more reasons NOT to take a bath with 5,000 strangers.

I think in 20 years, our future middle-agers will be saying, “Hey—remember waterparks?”

I’d be happy if Disney just gets their 2nd park right and stops ruining their 1st park. And finds a way to actually make Downtown Disney interesting.
 
Stevek

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Darkbeer1 said:
Remember that the city of Anaheim wants a section of that land for an extension of Gene Autry Way from Haster to the Convention Center. Will be very difficult to get the city to approve a new use without accommodating Gene Autry Way.
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Seems like the city would make a lot more money off of Disney if they allowed that to be developed as a 3rd park vs putting a road through it and killing that opportunity.
 
Darkbeer1

Darkbeer1

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Stevek said:
Seems like the city would make a lot more money off of Disney if they allowed that to be developed as a 3rd park vs putting a road through it and killing that opportunity.
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But the city owns the Convention Center and makes a lot of money directly from that.
 
Stevek

Stevek

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Darkbeer1 said:
But the city owns the Convention Center and makes a lot of money directly from that.
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I get that but does the road make that much of a difference where it is worth more than what a theme park would bring in? The city will make their money, just as they have year after year, regardless of this road.
 
Darkbeer1

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Stevek said:
I get that but does the road make that much of a difference where it is worth more than what a theme park would bring in? The city will make their money, just as they have year after year, regardless of this road.
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Money isn't everything.

The road is a key part of the city's overall traffic plan.

Keeping residents happy by removing cars off of Katella Avenue is important, as it is the residents who vote for the politicians.

The city has the right to build the road, and in fact, an obligation to do so.
 
socalifornian

socalifornian

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Darkbeer1 said:
Money isn't everything.

The road is a key part of the city's overall traffic plan.

Keeping residents happy by removing cars off of Katella Avenue is important, as it is the residents who vote for the politicians.

The city has the right to build the road, and in fact, an obligation to do so.
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Is this something they’d be able to successfully call eminent domain on if Disney said no?
 
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cmwade77

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Darkbeer1 said:
Money isn't everything.

The road is a key part of the city's overall traffic plan.

Keeping residents happy by removing cars off of Katella Avenue is important, as it is the residents who vote for the politicians.

The city has the right to build the road, and in fact, an obligation to do so.
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Actually, it is quite possible to build a theme park here AND build the road. The simple solution is to use a tunnel under the theme park, since this isn't Florida we can go fairly deep and the tunnel can be built to be bomb proof (because I sadly could see someone trying to drive under the theme park and set off a bomb, so this needs to be considered) OR they could build a bridge over the theme park that the cars can travel on. A third option is a pedestrian tunnel under the road for those in the parks and done in a way they don't really know they are going through a tunnel.

Three possible solutions to the problem, I think the tunnel for vehicles is the best as it keeps the most amount of land available for theme park use and keeps things out of the way, but all are valid approaches.

So for purposes of this thread, I will assume they take said approach, I think a Heroes and Villains theme park would be very interesting.
 
Mike730

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Even with an road extension that cuts right through the current parking lot, you still have a Knott's Berry Farm(~2Msqft) sized plot on one side. Having said that, I would think that citizens and local officials aren't lost on the potential that this plot has for the resort area, AKA another potential park. It would be a shame if a road bisected Disney's last remaining, sizable, undeveloped plot of land. With this in mind, I could see approval given for a roadway that follows closer to the boundaries of the property. If that's the case, the size of the contiguous property(~2.6Msqft) begins to approach that of DCA. It has theme/water park potential regardless of the road IMO.

For more context:
Universal Orlando's Volcano Bay is approx 1Msqft (It jumped immediately into the top 10 water parks in the US upon it's opening in 2017)
Universal Studios Hollywood minus City Walk and Backlot Tour is approx 1.9Msqft
 
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truecoat

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Mike730 said:
Even with an road extension that cuts right through the current parking lot, you still have a Knott's Berry Farm(~2M sqft) sized plot on one side. Having said that, I would think that citizens and local officials aren't lost on the potential that this plot has for the resort area, AKA another potential park. It would be a shame if a road bisected Disney's last remaining, sizable, undeveloped plot of land. With this in mind, I could see approval given for a roadway that follows a closer to the boundaries of the property. If that's the case, the size of the contiguous property( ~2.6M sqft) begins to approach that of DCA. It has theme/water park potential regardless of the road IMO.

For more context:
Universal Orlando's Volcano Bay is approx 1M sqft (It jumped immediately into the top 10 water parks in the US upon it's opening in 2017)
Universal Studios Hollywood minus City Walk and Backlot Tour is Approx 1.9M sqft
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Yes, just using half and using it smartly could make an excellent 3rd gate. If you take out most of water in DCA, you have about 2.5m sqft. Considering all the unused or underused buildings in the Hollywood section, 2m sq ft would work if designed well.
 
October82

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truecoat said:
Yes, just using half and using it smartly could make an excellent 3rd gate. If you take out most of water in DCA, you have about 2.5m sqft. Considering all the unused or underused buildings in the Hollywood section, 2m sq ft would work if designed well.
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As another point of reference in terms of major investments "Disney" is making right now, Fantasy Springs at TDS is 1/4 - 1/2 that size and also includes a large number of hotel rooms. Throw in a Mysterious Island and you (IMO) have plenty for a decent park with lots of IP.
 

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