20K Sub at Castaway Cay

Dr Albert Falls

New Member
Original Poster
I just got back from my first trip on a Disney Cruise (amazing experience--best cruise ship around!)

I had been extremely excited to visit the old 20,000 Leagues Nautilus submarine sunk in the snorkling area. But sadly, once I was there, I was a bit disappointed.

I guess the biggest let-down was that the recognizable features of the sub have been dismantled. Although maps of Castaway Cay show the familiar Harper Goff "sea monster" sticking out of the lagoon, the actual sub has been ripped apart. The entire top portion of the sub is missing, such as the giant green "eye" and the "spiked" arch that connected the pilot's sail to the bow of the sub. (The broken arch can be found a few feet from the sub, lying on the sand)

Many of the glass portholes guests would look out of are still intact (you couldn't really see inside them). However, a few portholes were broken, and Disney had put bars over them to prevent people from entering.

The only recognizable feature of the sub is the tail fin, which still bears Roman numeral 8.

When I first snorkled to the sub early in the morning, the entire vehicle was underwater--- about 2 feet of water separating the tail fin from the surface. Almost the entire top portion of the sub was covered in rope nets, adding to its unfamiliarity. Also, the entire sub was circled by a floating "swim rope", which prevented visitors from actually getting within 3 feet of the sub-- presumably for safety reasons.

Late in the day, I glanced back out at the snorkling area and was astonished to see something--- the entire top half of the sub was sticking out above the surface of the water!!!!!! During low tide, the sub becomes visible from land!!! It's such a shame the recognizable features of the sub have been removed. How cool would it be to see the Nautilus slowing "rise up" out of the water throughout the afternoon!!!!!!!!

Of course-- now knowing that the sub breaks the surface of the water each day--- I wonder if bad weather or rough seas broke apart the recognizable features of the sub--- rather than a safety-conscious Disney (which was my first thought).

Does anyone know more about the history of the 20K sub at Castaway Cay? Was it originally in reconizable condition? Did bad weather ruin it, or did Disney???
 

retrodisney

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Sorry to dredge up an old post ,but I have been looking For info on the castaway cay 20,000 league under the sea sub for 2 months and can't find squat.If anybody has pics or any info of any please chime in.




Thanks in advance
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Great site isn`t it? BTW - its nothing to do me, I can`t take the credit! Its by a guy called David Shuff.
 

DSpear456

New Member
Yeah, I was hoping you had pics of your expeditions! Sad to hear part of it is broken. At least the fate of those two subs is better than the rest which were buried in the disney landfill last fall. When you mentioned it "rising" out of the water at low tide, it reminded me of how awesome it would be to have a full size scale model (just the visible portions above the waterline) rize up somewhere in the seven seas lagoon. Or at night as the water ferries take people pack, you could see it sitting off in the distance with its green lights glowing brightly. That would be an incredible sight. I'm hoping to do the cruise at the end of the summer once I'm done with seasonal work (great discounts!), so I hope to take some pictures.
 

DSpear456

New Member
I know, right? After seeing the ride vehicles for mr. toads up on ebay, I was hoping to possibly see at least one 20K ride vehicle up there too. I mean who wouldnt want to own that? According to 20Kride.com, one was possibly sent to the Smithsonian. It would be interesting to see if that ever turns up to be true.
 

Lee

Adventurer
As far as I know, none were sent to the Smithsonian.
One was picked apart for Ebay. Two went to Castaway Cay.
Part of one was at the Studios.
The rest are plant food.
 

DSpear456

New Member
I'm skeptical of the smithsonian rumor, but in the event it was sent to the smithsonian, it would most likely be collecting dust in their storage facility. A good chunk of their collection is behind closed doors.
I've seen pictures of the one that was cut up for the special effects tank at MGM but was wondering what exactly it was used for. Anyone see it while it was on display?
 

Chefjason1974

New Member
okay I looked at the website 20kwhatever. This ride really was NOT THAT GOOD!!! what is everybody so uptight about!??!
i listen to people cry & Mourn the loss of rides like they are their children!! This one especially! The ride did nothing for me, granted when i was a five year old it was cool, but the reality is that is was too costly (Operationally) of a ride that didn't cater to the new Disney audience. What 10 year old today knows the 20k story? But ask a 10 year old who Ariel is im sure they will know. This ride (for all the right reasons) is gone forever! No extensive theming in the queue area, no handicap acessability, too much $$$$ to maintain & it was just plain boring & not worthy of a 1-2 hour wait with no part of the wait being under A/C!!! Good riddence!! I hope the next horrible ride to go is the indy speedway! This can go away & I wouldn't shed 1/2 of a tear!! I hate waiting in line for this & my 4 y.o always wants to ride it!!
I just hope they replace 20k with something worthy of its valuable & Prime Fantasyland neighborhood Property Value!!

I remeber the good stuff that is gone too! I liked Mr. Toad but Think Pooh Is better suited for today's audience. World of motion was good too but Test Track Is Way Better!! Anyone Not happy with what replaced Horizons has got to be insane!!!! I thought The Tiki Room was good, But Now The New Story will Maintain my 4 y.o. attention & Create new memories for her. This is more important than my own memories anyday!!!

Respectfully Reply with any thoughts please, I would love to debate this & start a new thread!!
 

Chefjason1974

New Member
Originally posted by marni1971
DSpear456 - is it confirmed the subs were buried (I heard it was planned..) What a waste!

I agree, I didn't like the ride, But I think 1 of the subs would look
great burried in the Pseudo-Ocean at the Living Seas!! Or Holding up a sign to a seafood house on Route 66!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

DSpear456

New Member
You're right it was advanced and yes, you could see the wires. But thats not what I enjoyed so much about it. The whole ride itself was unique. Sure Pooh is great, but in all its glory its just Snow white with new badging (Although TDL's Pooh is in the right direction!). Yes Submarine Voyage is basically the same ride, but the theming for 20K was perfect. SV probably should have closed down a long time ago, way before 20K did.


I dont know of any other theme park out there that has a submarine ride. Perhaps why I was so fond of it was because my favorite (& first) disney movie I remember watching was 20K, so when I first stepped onboard, it was like I was there. And thats what a great ride does. Rides like Dumbo, astro orbiter, and aladdin are a dime a dozen. And yes it was expensive to maintain but I'm sure if they really sunk some money into it, long run costs would have been reduced. But now thats it gone, I just hope they do something unique with it instead of copying a pre-existing attraction.

I'll definitely agree with you about the speedway. That definitely needs to go. If they got rid of it, that would free up some great property for an attraction. I wont miss it. Although the go-carts are incredibly fast when you switch the governor off, as my roomie showed me one time.
 

DSpear456

New Member
Also worth noting is that it still is very popular. I dont think there wasnt a day that went by when I was working( Cust. @ FL) when a guest would come up to me and ask what happened to the submarine ride. Often they would tell me how much they enjoyed it as a kid even if parts of it were cheesey but they wanted to show it to their kids because it was so unique.
 

dmagickingdom

New Member
Originally posted by Chefjason1974
[just plain boring & not worthy of a 1-2 hour wait


I never waited 1-2 hours for a ride that was just plain boring and not worthy. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and it surely has a much larger line than Ariel's Grotto.(NOTE: I do like The Little Mermaid)

over 75% of all guests visiting are repeat so would you assume that close to 70-75% had visited 20K before and went back for more???

:p :wave:
 

HMGhost13

New Member
i went on 20K way back in the early 90's late 80's on our first trip and maybe once or twice after that. thought it was pretty darn cool.


now if they touch my mansion dangit...
 

Disney2002

New Member
Problem with water rides... especially submerged ones like 20K, is maintaining them! There are also a whole slew of additional safety concerns when water enters the equation. Remember water and electricity aren't the best of friends... or are too close friends... depending on your perspective.

Granted I'm biased. My one and only ride on 20k was a day after being caught in a riptide, never to set foot in an ocean again. So, yeah... the whole being in a sub thing... scariest disney ride ever!
 

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