20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

BriarDavid

New Member
Original Poster
How sad it is that this ride is no more. I never got to ride it, it was gone before my first trip. But from what I've heard, it was pretty good. I also heard the reason they took it away was that the maitenance was too costly and time-consuming. I had many hopes that MK would re-open this ride, or at least convert it into a Finding Nemo ride, but then, they filled the beautiful lagoon in with dirt and made (or are making, I'm not sure which) it into a Hundred Acre Wood meet and greet, or something. Sad.
 

BriarDavid

New Member
Original Poster
They should've at least kept the area. It looks nice and is a real memorabilia to those who liked the ride. We can only hope, that some park, somewhere, will dare to try 20k again.

-Briar David

P.S. I assume Disney took out the 20k @ Disneyland? Or is it still there?
 

DarkMeasures

New Member
The only 20K attraction Disneyland ever had was a walk-through exhibit in Tommorowland that used the props from the movies. The same thing would later be seen in Disneyland Paris.

Disneyland however did have the subs ride which was extremely similar to WDW's 20K but it was not a 20K ride. Just a sub ride. It is right now going under a rehab that will add a nemo overlay for the attraction and will reopen the attraction.

Before I continue with that, I will note that there is a new 20K ride. At Tokyo Disney Seas. It is supposed to be pretty cool from what I heard and it does solve all the problems from the WDW ride. But you couldn't have just updated the WDW version. The Tokyo Disney Sea version is actually a suspended monorail that never once comes in contact with water.

Now, back on the WDW ride and its relation to Disneyland's. If the Tokyo update was out of its league, then how about the Disneyland one? The answer is simple really. Due to spacing issues in Disneyland, the Sub attraction was actually built under Autopia. It was done so that space was ultimatly saved and there was no large and ugly showbuilding taking up a huge amount of room. The Magic Kingdom is a much larger park so when the 20K ride was built, there was no reason to fit the building in a tight space. So in the end, the MK version of the subs ride ends up taking up 1/2 of fantasyland while the Disneyland Subs are hidden under tommorowland.

But that also caused this problem. The Magic Kingdom version had no hope. Castmember hated working on it. That is why it got closed for over 10 years. But the whole thing came down as of late and now lets see... Fantasyland can double its size now. Just to note even more on the scale of the size of the Fantasyland attraction, 3 E-rides have a good chance of managing to fit into 20K's plot. I mean, it is just mind-boggling amazing how much room this ride took. I personally hope the Imagineers will turn this new plot into a nice expansion to the WDW's Fantasyland. It is rather pathetic on the size and look of Fantasyland. It needs help.

Now Disneyland's subs attraction. It was closed to make away for the flop called the "New Tommorowland". Nothing actually replaced the subs, it was just closed. (well any update on the subs would require wheelchair access to be implemented). But now look, The Subs attraction at Disneyland happens to be a lucky attraction. It is one of the few attractions that is almost impossible to remove or replace. So, the imagineers are working on the new Nemo ride. It may not fit in with Tommorowland but the return of the subs altogether should bring rejoice to everybody.

But not only that in Disneyland, it seems that all those new rides there are causing a chain reaction. Currently there are plans for replacing the 3-D theatre and reopening the people mover as well as moving the astro-orbiter.

And beyond that, George Lucas wants to update Star Tours.

Too bad the Magic Kingdom isn't getting a treatment like this. I personally think that both Fantasyland and Tommorowland need huge overhauls and expansion projects.
 

CaliSurfer182

New Member
That is one of the most intelligent and well written posts I have read in a while DarkMeasures. Thank you.


As far as the ride goes I wish that WDW could have found a way to keep it. I was looking forward to riding it when I moved over to Florida, but I didn't make it in time. So I guess my Disneyland Submarine Voyage ride memories will just have to appease me.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Lets also remember WDW`s subs were known as the traffic pattern nightmare of the MK - about 3 guests an hour (maybe more), 2 hours to load and unload each sub (okay - but you get the point) and since they were diesel powered if one broke down the whole ride went 101, with evacs needed for the rest of the fleet.

No wonder Management pulled a sneaky fast one to get them closed! RIP 20k WDW.
 

KentB3

Well-Known Member
marni1971 said:
Lets also remember WDW`s subs were known as the traffic pattern nightmare of the MK - about 3 guests an hour (maybe more), 2 hours to load and unload each sub (okay - but you get the point) and since they were diesel powered if one broke down the whole ride went 101, with evacs needed for the rest of the fleet.

No wonder Management pulled a sneaky fast one to get them closed! RIP 20k WDW.

Besides taking up less space and being nearly impossible to remove (since Autopia is built on top), another reason Disneyland's subs lasted as long as they did and are being reopened, is due to the fact that theirs subs were powered by electricity, not diesel as WDW's were. Using diesel caused a LOT more erosion and mechanical problems for WDW's subs, even though Disneyland's had more than its share of them! :animwink:

I was wondering if the new rebuilt Submarine Voyage at Disneyland will be built to help solve these problems, since technology has come a long way since 1959 when the ride was built. Anyone have a clue? :confused:
 

sheryl2007

New Member
DarkMeasures said:
The only 20K attraction Disneyland ever had was a walk-through exhibit in Tommorowland that used the props from the movies. The same thing would later be seen in Disneyland Paris.

Disneyland however did have the subs ride which was extremely similar to WDW's 20K but it was not a 20K ride. Just a sub ride. It is right now going under a rehab that will add a nemo overlay for the attraction and will reopen the attraction.

Before I continue with that, I will note that there is a new 20K ride. At Tokyo Disney Seas. It is supposed to be pretty cool from what I heard and it does solve all the problems from the WDW ride. But you couldn't have just updated the WDW version. The Tokyo Disney Sea version is actually a suspended monorail that never once comes in contact with water.

Now, back on the WDW ride and its relation to Disneyland's. If the Tokyo update was out of its league, then how about the Disneyland one? The answer is simple really. Due to spacing issues in Disneyland, the Sub attraction was actually built under Autopia. It was done so that space was ultimatly saved and there was no large and ugly showbuilding taking up a huge amount of room. The Magic Kingdom is a much larger park so when the 20K ride was built, there was no reason to fit the building in a tight space. So in the end, the MK version of the subs ride ends up taking up 1/2 of fantasyland while the Disneyland Subs are hidden under tommorowland.

But that also caused this problem. The Magic Kingdom version had no hope. Castmember hated working on it. That is why it got closed for over 10 years. But the whole thing came down as of late and now lets see... Fantasyland can double its size now. Just to note even more on the scale of the size of the Fantasyland attraction, 3 E-rides have a good chance of managing to fit into 20K's plot. I mean, it is just mind-boggling amazing how much room this ride took. I personally hope the Imagineers will turn this new plot into a nice expansion to the WDW's Fantasyland. It is rather pathetic on the size and look of Fantasyland. It needs help.

Now Disneyland's subs attraction. It was closed to make away for the flop called the "New Tommorowland". Nothing actually replaced the subs, it was just closed. (well any update on the subs would require wheelchair access to be implemented). But now look, The Subs attraction at Disneyland happens to be a lucky attraction. It is one of the few attractions that is almost impossible to remove or replace. So, the imagineers are working on the new Nemo ride. It may not fit in with Tommorowland but the return of the subs altogether should bring rejoice to everybody.

But not only that in Disneyland, it seems that all those new rides there are causing a chain reaction. Currently there are plans for replacing the 3-D theatre and reopening the people mover as well as moving the astro-orbiter.

And beyond that, George Lucas wants to update Star Tours.

Too bad the Magic Kingdom isn't getting a treatment like this. I personally think that both Fantasyland and Tommorowland need huge overhauls and expansion projects.
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT POST, your insight is appreciated, THANKS:)
 

GameWorld

New Member
Where are all the 20k guys now?

Just a quick question, The other day I spoke with Sully and he had said there is a website for former 20k workers, any one know where this is? I have someone come into the store 2 years ago and he had dibs on some of them. Any help would be great. Thanks Matt www.gameworldweb.com
 

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