2 Stabbings Near Disneyland Last Night

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Curious Constance

Curious Constance

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TP2000 said:
Where do you live? Big city? Small town?

Anaheim has lower crime than the US average. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Anaheim-California.html

Using this widely used format, Anaheim had a crime index in 2014 of 219, versus a US average of 287 (a lower number means lower crime). But Anaheim's 219 is unusually high for Orange County, which is an incredibly safe and sane county. Neighboring cities have lower crime than Anaheim; Orange at 106, Brea at 164, Fullerton at 191, etc. Orange and Villa Park just to the east of Anaheim are statistically safer than Brea or Fullerton to the north.

Irvine, California is 10 miles south of Disneyland and has a population of 236,000, about the size of Orlando, but Irvine has one of the lowest crime index rates in America at just 89.

Since we don't know exactly what city you live in, we'll compare/contrast Anaheim to the other American Disney communities of Orlando and Kissimmee.

Orlando is a small city, but has had extremely high crime rates with ugly levels of violent crime for the past two decades. Rape, murder, assault, robbery, etc. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Orlando-Florida.html

Kissimmee has a lower crime index than Orlando, but it's also a very small town of only 60,000 people.

United States Average Crime Index = 287
Anaheim, California, Population 346,000, Crime Index = 219
Orlando, Florida, Population 262,000, Crime Index = 481
Kissimmee, Florida, Population 60,000, Crime Index = 301

Compared to most of ultra-safe and very well manicured Orange County, western Anaheim is the "sketchy" part of the county. But compared to most of America and other big cities, Anaheim is safer than average. But if you live in a tiny mountain town in Idaho, it may seem scary and unsafe.

Some other big cities 2014 crime index for comparison;

Los Angeles, Crime Index = 265
Detroit, Crime Index = 890
Seattle, Crime Index = 460
Chicago, Crime Index = 485
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It's also important to take a look at the types of crime that comprise that average crime rate. My city's rate is higher than Los Angeles. That sounds bad until you look at the types of crimes that goes into the average. My city had 0 murders in 2013, small number of rapes,and assaults, etc, but we have a very high theft rate. So you're very unlikely to have a violent crime in my city, but likely to have your bike stolen. (Even if you have it chained up outside on a friggin bike rack.)

Whereas in Los Angeles, as I'm sure you can imagine has many, many more violent crimes.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Curious Constance said:
It's also important to take a look at the types of crime that comprise that average crime rate. My city's rate is higher than Los Angeles. That sounds bad until you look at the types of crimes that goes into the average. My city had 0 murders in 2013, small number of rapes,and assaults, etc, but we have a very high theft rate. So you're very unlikely to have a violent crime in my city, but likely to have your bike stolen. (Even if you have it chained up outside on a friggin bike rack.).
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Great point on the types of crimes.

Let's compare the makeup of the crime in the two Disney communities in this country since we're not sure where @LongLiveTheKing is from or comparing.

Crimes committed per 100,000 citizens, per type of crime:
Murder = Anaheim 4, Orlando 6
Rape = Anaheim 23, Orlando 64
Assault = Anaheim 170, Orlando 593
Theft = Anaheim 1619, Orlando 4691
Burglary = Anaheim 375, Orlando 1287
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
To be fair though WDW is not in Orlando.
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True. But a huge portion of WDW visitors stay and play in Orlando during their visit, via Orlando's 120,000 hotel rooms. Orlando has the second most number of hotel rooms in America, behind only Las Vegas.

The Orlando Convention Center, in Orlando, is also a huge driver of business to the city and WDW. The Orlando Convention Center is the second largest center in America, again behind only Las Vegas. Various crimes perpetrated against tourists make up a very big chunk of Orlando's unusually high crime rate.

Orlando's crime index is 481.
Las Vegas's crime index is 355.
Anaheim's crime index is 219.
 
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Deleted member 107043

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Fine, but it still isn't in Orlando. It straddles a couple of cities, including Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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TP2000 said:
True. But a huge portion of WDW visitors stay and play in Orlando during their visit, via Orlando's 120,000 hotel rooms. Orlando has the second most number of hotel rooms in America, behind only Las Vegas.

The Orlando Convention Center, in Orlando, is also a huge driver of business to the city and WDW. The Orlando Convention Center is the second largest center in America, again behind only Las Vegas. Various crimes perpetrated against tourists make up a very big chunk of Orlando's unusually high crime rate.

Orlando's crime index is 481.
Las Vegas's crime index is 355.
Anaheim's crime index is 219.
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The only major attraction within the City of Orlando is Universal Orlando Resort. The Orlando Orange County Convention Center, a nice chunk of I-Drive including the new Merlin Attractions and SeaWorld Orlando are all in unincorporated Orange County.
http://www2.cityoforlando.net/PDF_Docs/CityWideMaps/CityofOrlandoandVicinityWallmap68x44.pdf
 
Phroobar

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The poster also has to consider the high priced housing market in Orange County. You better get a fairly high paying job to live in most areas of Orange County. Cities like Irvine, Brea, Mission Viejo, Laguna Beach, Huntington Beach and similar are much higher priced and more desirable over Anaheim, Orange, Buana Park, Stanton and Garden Grove. I would never live in Anaheim but I would live in Anaheim Hills. Chino Hills is a great place too. All of these places are about half hour from Disneyland.
 
Darkbeer1

Darkbeer1

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I happen to live in West Anaheim, but I do live on what is known as "Doctor's Row" and houses have the high six to 7 digits values.

It depends where in West Anaheim you are at...

But then again, a lot of the housing near Disneyland (such as mentioned in the crime report) are known for gangs and other issues.

Never been a fan of the STR's on Walnut (Basicaly where the stabbing occurred) and never recommended it to anyone as an option as compared to say, a true Hotel that is designed for "Extended Stay/Apartment" style of living. You have property management, maintenance and security on site 24 hours a day.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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wdwbaw said:
Glad they found the suspect. Hopefully no other suspects are still on the streets.

Yikes.
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Yeah. But for Orlando it's also a huge drop in the number of murders, with lesser drops for other violent crimes, from where they were a few years ago. Crime was out of control across Orlando in the 2000's. They've spent a fortune trying to get it under control, with mixed results in the 2010's.

Here's the stats for a decade ago;

2006 Crimes committed per 100,000 residents
Murder = Anaheim 3, Orlando 23
Rape = Anaheim 32, Orlando 75
Assault = Anaheim 245, Orlando 1180
Theft = Anaheim 1576, Orlando 5682
Burglary = Anaheim 563, Orlando 1689
Auto Theft = Anaheim 494, Orlando 1077

Orlando has at least made good headway in getting their murder rate down over the last decade. It's still 50% higher than the national average however.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Also of note, the small neighborhood this happened in. Directly west of the Disneyland Hotel wall along Walnut Street it's a mix of tidy 1950's tract homes but with several apartment complexes built in the 1960's.

It's the apartments that cause the largest amount of police calls to this neighborhood. The apartments aren't exactly a big city slum, but they certainly aren't glamorous or upscale. Typical 1960's cheap apartment construction with bare landscaping, rather tightly packed together.

Walnut Street apartments, just west of Disneyland Hotel, south of Ball Road
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It's easy to imagine a Friday night sociable in one of these dreary apartments devolving into a knife fight over drugs. :rolleyes:
 
StarWarsGirl

StarWarsGirl

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wdwbaw said:
I agree that that rate is too good to pass up! I think that the Marriott is close enough that you should be safe, just be careful!
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According to Google, it's .8 miles, so not far at all. Since it's a Good Neighbor, it's also got touches of Disney inside, which is cool. It's actually slightly closer than Paradise Pier.

I think we'll be fine. I can't imagine it's any worse than downtown Baltimore at night, and we're used to walking through there. If it comes down to it, we'll grab a cab to go back.
 
ForeverAnna

ForeverAnna

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Curious Constance said:
It's also important to take a look at the types of crime that comprise that average crime rate. My city's rate is higher than Los Angeles. That sounds bad until you look at the types of crimes that goes into the average. My city had 0 murders in 2013, small number of rapes,and assaults, etc, but we have a very high theft rate. So you're very unlikely to have a violent crime in my city, but likely to have your bike stolen. (Even if you have it chained up outside on a friggin bike rack.)

Whereas in Los Angeles, as I'm sure you can imagine has many, many more violent crimes.
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For another example Vatican City has the highest crime rate in the world but it's almost all pickpocketing tourists.
 
ctrlaltdel

ctrlaltdel

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Crime, especially violent crime, has been plummeting in the US for the past 20 years. In the case of Anaheim/Disneyland I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of guests have nothing to worry about with regards to violent (or even property) crime. Unless you're involved in drugs in the Anaheim area, I don't think you have much to worry about. Just be vigilant when going to/from to your hotel, especially at night, but you'll very likely be fine regardless.
 
Kiwiduck

Kiwiduck

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ctrlaltdel said:
Crime, especially violent crime, has been plummeting in the US for the past 20 years. In the case of Anaheim/Disneyland I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of guests have nothing to worry about with regards to violent (or even property) crime. Unless you're involved in drugs in the Anaheim area, I don't think you have much to worry about. Just be vigilant when going to/from to your hotel, especially at night, but you'll very likely be fine regardless.
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Oh no, Don't tell me it's safe, there goes my built in excuse for staying at the Disneyland hotel!
 

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