“Something major” coming to DHS???

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JMcMahonEsq

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EPCOT-O.G. said:
A few thoughts re: TWDC’s ability to utilize the Marvel stuff east of the Mississippi:


2) Is Marvel a hot enough property now, or in the 3-5 years it’ll take for an attraction to come on board?
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This to me is the very interesting question, though i think the time scale might be off a bit.

Growing up in the 80s/90s we watched as kids Mickey and the gang in their various forms and then the next generation of WDW classics like little mermaid/lion king, ect. Such when it became time to for our parents to take us to WDW, they had their own experiences with WDW and ours as youth watching WDW IP to be the draw to the park. The Sunday Disney nights and collective experience drove people to want to make the pilgrimage to Disney, and the shared expierence of getting to meet/see what you have been watching on TV/Movies re-enforced it.

Now fast forward a generation where we are parents with young kids. We, like am sure many on this board shared the same WDW movies we loved as kids with our kids, along with some new additions like Cars/Toy Story/Frozen, ect. So you have 3 generations, from grandparents to kids who have appeal to the traditional DW IP, 2 of which are the financial decision makers. Same thing applies to Star Wars to a degree. Grandma and Grandpa remember watching those movies with us, and they want to do the same with their grandkids. We remember what it felt like to hear "I am your father" and want to see our kids faces when they realize what is happening

3-5 years from now, the kids who grew up loving Marvel are going to be in their teens or mid 20's. Mostly too old to be driving "family" vacations with what they want, and too young to be decision makers/spending on vacations of their own given demographic shifts to families starting later in life, especially in higher income brackets. So I wonder are the Marvel movies going to have the generational staying power as to form a basis for why kids 10-15 years from now are going to want to go to WDW. Are we going as grandparents going to be having Marvel nights, and will our kids be excited to get the Avengers DVD (or streaming equivalent) to show to their kids for the first time. And I think for the likely cost of any major Marvel Aquisition, that's what your really looking for. Its not just for a re-skin or to build a new ride or two. If you're making the investment that Universal likely requires to get the rights west of the Mississippi, you're looking for something to take you into the next generation of guests.
 
Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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JMcMahonEsq said:
This to me is the very interesting question, though i think the time scale might be off a bit.

Growing up in the 80s/90s we watched as kids Mickey and the gang in their various forms and then the next generation of WDW classics like little mermaid/lion king, ect. Such when it became time to for our parents to take us to WDW, they had their own experiences with WDW and ours as youth watching WDW IP to be the draw to the park. The Sunday Disney nights and collective experience drove people to want to make the pilgrimage to Disney, and the shared expierence of getting to meet/see what you have been watching on TV/Movies re-enforced it.

Now fast forward a generation where we are parents with young kids. We, like am sure many on this board shared the same WDW movies we loved as kids with our kids, along with some new additions like Cars/Toy Story/Frozen, ect. So you have 3 generations, from grandparents to kids who have appeal to the traditional DW IP, 2 of which are the financial decision makers. Same thing applies to Star Wars to a degree. Grandma and Grandpa remember watching those movies with us, and they want to do the same with their grandkids. We remember what it felt like to hear "I am your father" and want to see our kids faces when they realize what is happening

3-5 years from now, the kids who grew up loving Marvel are going to be in their teens or mid 20's. Mostly too old to be driving "family" vacations with what they want, and too young to be decision makers/spending on vacations of their own given demographic shifts to families starting later in life, especially in higher income brackets. So I wonder are the Marvel movies going to have the generational staying power as to form a basis for why kids 10-15 years from now are going to want to go to WDW. Are we going as grandparents going to be having Marvel nights, and will our kids be excited to get the Avengers DVD (or streaming equivalent) to show to their kids for the first time. And I think for the likely cost of any major Marvel Aquisition, that's what your really looking for. Its not just for a re-skin or to build a new ride or two. If you're making the investment that Universal likely requires to get the rights west of the Mississippi, you're looking for something to take you into the next generation of guests.
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Look, it’s been a wildly successful franchise. But End Game was 2019. While the Guardians rides aren’t “dated,” they don’t feel timeless. It’s likely the last time we ever see that composition of the team. Heck, even the current Avengers look substantially different now than they did a few years ago. I just don’t know how much a draw it will be (quality aside - that’ll be the big driver) 3-5 years from now, but also will it already feel dated 5-7 years into its life?
 
britain

britain

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Good observation about guardians, it makes me actually start to wonder if that’s why cosmic rewind was built with so much “generic future interior design” - so that in 25 years it can be replaced with different characters/story and still essentially be a variation on space mountain.

A hard-core guardians of the galaxy attraction would’ve had a whole lot more grime and an “oppressive” atmosphere.

Cosmic rewind is an Epcot roller coaster “featuring” the Guardians.
 
Gusey

Gusey

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With Joy moving to Pixar Plaza this Summer to promote Inside Out 2, and Pixar Plaza becoming a permanent land on the map, do you think there is a larger chance we might get a Pixar IP as the major announcement, or even a Pixar flat ride in Pixar Plaza??
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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Rosso11 said:
They know they can’t create more excitement than a new park so they are letting them have their moment and hoping for a boost from spill over. But then the gloves come off.
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The problem with this kind of thinking is that Universal isn't going to stop adding stuff to their parks after 2025.

Any new additions to WDW in the second half of this decade will have to compete with whatever else Universal does.

Hopefully they realize whatever is green lit will top whatever Universal has yet to announce too, not just day one Epic.
 
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WoundedDreamer

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Animaniac93-98 said:
The problem with this kind of thinking is that Universal isn't going to stop adding stuff to their parks after 2025.

Any new additions to WDW in the second half of this decade will have to compete with whatever else Universal does.

Hopefully they realize whatever is green lit will top whatever Universal has yet to announce too, not just day one Epic.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about further expansions to Epic Universe being approved relatively soon. Universal Orlando Resort is just getting started. The only thing that worries me is if Universal gets sidetracked building regional parks. Those are not the winning strategy in my view. Universal needs to keep their spending focused on Orlando, Hollywood, Beijing, and Osaka. A European resort is intriguing. I do worry it could be a distraction. I'm really hoping they focus on leveraging what they have rather than chasing after more risky and unproven concepts.

Walt Disney World is going to need focus on adding the type of rides to the roster they've almost completely neglected. They need the D/C ticket rides. And they need a lot of them. Hollywood studios is an embarrassment. After a five year transformation, the park capacity remains abysmal. Adding something akin to Fantasyland, with a collection of 4-5 Fantasyland-style dark rides would be a drastic improvement. Increasing the number of rides will boost guest satisfaction and intent-to-return rates.

If we just get another low-capacity E-Ticket with a flat ride next to it... I think my head will explode.
 

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