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  1. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    This is the kind of vibe it's giving me, too. I guess the question is whether this is a more compelling theme than setting the land back in the 19th/early-20th century. Personally, I kind of feel like people would just go to these places if they were particularly interested in experiencing them...
  2. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    I think the park that most fulfils this vision of how they should be organised at WDW is DHS. Even with the dead space of abandoned facilities that plagues a lot (all?) of the parks, that is the most tightly-packed when it comes to attractions, dining, and retail versus theming and open spaces...
  3. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Sorry, I thought you meant that in general the cars wouldn't be visible outside of the rides within the new area rather than that they wouldn't be visible from the existing Frontierland/Liberty Square. On that note, I would agree that you will probably just see rocks, trees, and some water from...
  4. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    The problem is, the artwork also features the facades of the Disneyland Paris Frontierland which is odd, to say the least. It doesn't inspire much confidence that this is based on a detailed study of the final plans rather than an artist being given some concepts and broad outlines to work with...
  5. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Thank you for your thoughtful response.
  6. Sir_Cliff

    News 2023 TEA/AECOM Global Attendance Report, EPCOT Sees Significant Growth

    I suspect @LSLS has a good point in that a big new ride will get people to visit a park, but it's the sum of the park's parts that will get them to come back more than any one attraction being especially great. This seems likely to be especially true of places like WDW and Uni Orlando where you...
  7. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    I think this is really true long term. It is very easy to say and often correct that, right now, such-and-such IP is more relevant/popular than any broader theme in a park. However, time passes and the relevance of most IPs fades. We're really at the early stage of theme parks building...
  8. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Yes, I think Cars always would have been a hard sell because it just shifts the time frame of the whole land so far toward the present that, as I've said before, the old land ends up being something like a Dinoland USA-style Western tourist town. At least if it was located 'beyond Big Thunder'...
  9. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    I think one relevant point here is that most people would be happy with a balanced solution that perhaps saw TSI disappear but allowed for at least the front part of the ROA to remain rather than it all becoming Carsland 2.0 so as to preserve the theming and ambiance of the area. The second...
  10. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    One of the nice things about Disneyland Paris is that the Imagineers designed little spots like that, particularly in Adventureland which has their equivalent of Tom Sawyer Island. For example, there's a little clearing with a 'rock' along the side of the river where you can just sit for a while...
  11. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    But, you see, they have updated the definition to include not just ATVs, but ATVs that are alive, with big eyes and smiles and that talk. Also included in the definition of frontier now are talking race cars and tow trucks, as well as mountains that formed in the shape of car parts. So, you see...
  12. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Indeed. To me, that seems like a really bizarre misreading of what the fans want. @BrianLo mentioned that the reaction in the room was very subdued/uncomfortable around that announcement, so if that crowd wasn't into it then you have to ask who it is for.
  13. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Yes, it's kind of strange to me that they're trying to compete with Universal by becoming more like Universal. It's a little like when they scrapped traditional animation and brought out Chicken Little to compete with Dreamworks. I guess they will still be bigger and more resort like, so that...
  14. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    I also wonder whether this will just be one of many breaking points that wasn't or if it will mean something more significant due to the symbolism of putting a Cars land so front and centre such that it dominates two of the original lands in the park. Personally, I have been surprised at how...
  15. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    This did make me laugh, but is honestly not a bad representation of what they're doing for those who are envisioning a beautiful recreation of the Pacific Northwest. What they are proposing is a beautiful recreation of the Pacific Northwest in the same way this would be a beautiful...
  16. Sir_Cliff

    Rumor D23 2024 WDW Rumors, Predictions & Discussion

    Indeed. I’m not sure why people are clinging to that 5 year comment, because he moved on very quickly from Villains land to make this very general comment about things starting to happen over the next 5 years. He certainly didn’t say it would be open by then and in terms of it being under way...
  17. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Now that this has come up twice, has anyone ever argued that the carpets were anything other than a thematic disaster for very little (if any) benefit? It's also a particularly strange one to bring up, as it's not exactly like Walt decreed an Aladdin Dumbo clone for Adventureland at the MK. The...
  18. Sir_Cliff

    Why not remove Cinderella's Castle

    I didn't think anyone liked Shanghai's castle.
  19. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Indeed. Time to discard all this "Imagineering" nonsense they have been going on about for all these years and just start building loosely associated attractions close to one another as people only really care about new rides anyway.
  20. Sir_Cliff

    News Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

    Indeed, would a rocket ship in Adventureland really be that thematically inconsistent when you have Polynesian tiki birds next to a Caribbean Plaza featuring pirates? Bring it on... I guess.
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