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No, this is a real alignment and I have seen plans. Think of it as taking a new overpass to the north and then coming back around to the southwest.

Yeah, it’s been talked about at length in this thread, and obviously I know that, but do you really believe Michael Eisner knew the name of the hotel? Me thinks not. That’s why I was fake quoting him. Same architect. But Wilderness Lodge is like the less dressy version. For the record I...

If there’s any architectural style that is pleasant and fits a Californian wooded area, it’s California Craftsman / Mission Style. I think The Grand Californian is by far the best Disney hotel in the Continental United States. It makes more sense if you study the detail work and the design...

In my experience that has been the case.

That’s fair… it’s as if Michael Eisner literally told WDI in 1985, “Let’s build a flagship hotel for WDW that uses the same decorators and architects of the best new hotels of Beverly Hills and base the exterior on that hotel in San Diego.”

No it’s not. At best it’s based on The Del, which is decidedly not a good example of Victorian architecture. If anything it may fit into Queen Anne (a subset of Victorian, I’ll give you that), but it’s the exception to the rule. That’s why it’s so historic. Regardless, we were talking interior...

You’re confused. There’s nothing about The Grand Floridian that is Victorian. The Grand Floridian should have never been built as it is with that name. All the “Victorian” influence you’ve been brainwashed into believing is based on marketing at the time and a few paintings on the walls. And...

That’s a fair point. But let’s also keep the spare piano in the corner where the concierge should be or something. Cause who cares at this point? Clearly Disney doesn’t.

It never should have. That’s my point. This just adds to the mess it already is.

Yeah, get rid of the one thing that people liked, an actual orchestra, and replace it with a single pianist that plays on a limited schedule. Cause that’s a great idea… but it’s in alignment with The Grand Californian’s lobby entertainment offerings, so that makes sense. The hotel has always had...

Oooo, you’re quite perceptive, aren’t you? 🤣

Just realized that you forgot about the random Disney characters in the marble floors they imported from the Hong Kong Disneyland Hotel and the Alice in Wonderland Interactive Water Feature. And the Mary Poppins fountain in the other building. Just so we’re clear and on the same page I believe...

Eh, only the exterior looks like The Del. The interior was 100% Beverly Hills in the 80s. Same architectural firm even. When in Beverly Hills you should really check out The Four Seasons Los Angeles at Beverly Hills. The similarities are striking.

It has more in common with the hotels of Beverly Hills that were built in the 80s. There’s nothing Victorian about… well, really anything… in the Grand Floridian. Even the exterior is based on a California hotel. Truly abysmal “theming” at this hotel.

I hate this hotel. That is all. And pushing yet another unrelated IP into it is just stupid. Disney doesn’t even understand what this monstrosity of a hotel is. Someone needs to put it out of its misery.

Or you could have just read the post where I said by July 1st. Sorry the Ice Cream Parlor had a delay due to freezer issues.

I mean, the infrastructure is there… but I can’t see this being a priority right now unless they just don’t have enough things to announce in time for the 50th… oh, actually I CAN see how it’s a priority now.

What are the chances?! 😉

New? Yes. But a slightly altered Paint the Night would be very easy to pull off as a last minute “oh $h!t, we need a parade!”

One can only hope…