Soarin’ Across America to replace Soarin’ Around the World for Nation’s 250th Birthday

[Figments Friend]

MCO should be Soarin’s sponsor. The carpet is iconic and should be in the queue!

Well well well….

Look who took your idea and made a visual of it…..

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[DCLcruiser]

Well well well….

Look who took your idea and made a visual of it…..


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That looks like an old magic eye poster. I think I can see a 3D airplane.

 

[_caleb]

Can you name an example of where/how this is done? It is my understanding that if you project a straight line onto a curved surface, three dimensionally, the line will now be curved and will appear curved from any direction except straight on.

 

[Coaster Lover]

Again, not an apples to apples comparison. You are adjusting to limit distortion when viewed from a single angle. Soarin has multiple eyes that need to view the same projection at the same time from radically different angles which is where the issues arise.

 

[osian]

a. The Soarin projection system already does this sort of warping to fit onto a curved surface.

b. It only resolves distortion when viewing from one specific point, usually the very centre but the offset can be adjusted so that the sweet spot is somewhere else. A cylindrical shape, which is curved in one dimension only as opposed to a dome which is curved in two dimensions, will have more "sweet spots" in a vertical line up and down from the very centre. Off centre, or off the sweet spot vertical line, the picture will appear distorted. Also, a cylindrical screen will not give the wraparound immersion top and bottom. (Soarin is not perfect in that regard either, in the top and bottom and left and tright extrremes you can still see the edges of the picture).

 

[osian]

I'm hoping they can replace the screens with a carefully designed curvature, and place the projectors such that it looks straight to everyone. It's possible. I mean even a flat screen would work, but aligning the perspectives of all viewers and the camera making the film is possible with effort. Oh wait, right, no effort will be made?

It's not possible. There are no examples anywhere on earth where what you suggest has been done. [Disclaimer: you *could* do it with CGI and VR, giving each rider a headset of their own and rendering the image from individual points of view - but this completely changes the attraction doesn't it? Is that what you mean by expending effort? However it remains that it cannot be done with the current screen/projector type mechanism).

Try asking your favourite AI engine if it's possible!

 

[gorillaball]

It's not possible. There are no examples anywhere on earth where what you suggest has been done. [Disclaimer: you *could* do it with CGI and VR, giving each rider a headset of their own and rendering the image from individual points of view - but this completely changes the attraction doesn't it? Is that what you mean by expending effort? However it remains that it cannot be done with the current screen/projector type mechanism).

Try asking your favourite AI engine if it's possible!

Which just means they need to be smarter on the content they include, or how they include it. Long linear objects ala Eiffel Tower flying up close - bad idea.

 

[osian]

Which just means they need to be smarter on the content they include, or how they include it. Long linear objects ala Eiffel Tower flying up close - bad idea.

You can see the "ideal" subject matter for this in Flight of Passage. There is absolutely nothing straight in that CGI scenery. However, after many rides in the outermost seats (single riders always get the worst seats) I can say that the distortion is still very much apparent. Even with the ideal subject matter, even when the viewing platform is ony two carriages wide rather than three, it's very obvious. Not just whether straight lines are curved but the way the way objects and scenery warp as they move across the screen, and also the 3D imagery doesn't mesh together properly at the edges and leads to a noticeably flat and blurred image.

[On my third ride one particular day I reached the head of the queue and was once again asked to stand to one side while they batched other people, and I wearily asked the CM if I could be placed somewhere nearer the centre. I explained why, and the CM said "I understand". I do wonder whether most of the people who feel ill on this ride are the ones who are sat further away from the middle, as they will experience weird image warping and imperfect 3D. There was some talk in the past about the glasses deteriorating and making the image blurry or perhaps the projectors need replacing or realigning, but I wonder if this is just a symptom of sitting at the sides. People will have that experience and assume it's the same for everyone on the ride, just like everyone assumes that everyone experiences a bendy Eiffel Tower in Soarin if they've seen it.]

 

[gorillaball]

You can see the "ideal" subject matter for this in Flight of Passage. There is absolutely nothing straight in that CGI scenery. However, after many rides in the outermost seats (single riders always get the worst seats) I can say that the distortion is still very much apparent. Even with the ideal subject matter, even when the viewing platform is ony two carriages wide rather than three, it's very obvious. Not just whether straight lines are curved but the way the way objects and scenery warp as they move across the screen, and also the 3D imagery doesn't mesh together properly at the edges and leads to a noticeably flat and blurred image.

[On my third ride one particular day I reached the head of the queue and was once again asked to stand to one side while they batched other people, and I wearily asked the CM if I could be placed somewhere nearer the centre. I explained why, and the CM said "I understand". I do wonder whether most of the people who feel ill on this ride are the ones who are sat further away from the middle, as they will experience weird image warping and imperfect 3D. There was some talk in the past about the glasses deteriorating and making the image blurry or perhaps the projectors need replacing or realigning, but I wonder if this is just a symptom of sitting at the sides. People will have that experience and assume it's the same for everyone on the ride, just like everyone assumes that everyone experiences a bendy Eiffel Tower in Soarin if they've seen it.]

I have wondered myself if Flight has become out of focus, or the glasses, of if it’s the same and my eyes are just trained to notice imperfections after many rides. I don’t pretend to be a techie that would know if any of the above is actually possible and a factor.
Yes, noticed more on the sides but I still have questions in my head in the middle, cave scene in particular.

 

[osian]

I have wondered myself if Flight has become out of focus, or the glasses, of if it’s the same and my eyes are just trained to notice imperfections after many rides. I don’t pretend to be a techie that would know if any of the above is actually possible and a factor.
Yes, noticed more on the sides but I still have questions in my head in the middle, cave scene in particular.

And just to clarify, remember that the FoP theaters are two "gliders" wide, so you could be sitting at the edge of one yet still be in a near-perfect middle position, or in the middle of one yet be towards the edge of the screen!