OCVibe Approved by Anaheim City Council.

[NobodyElse]

Same thing here. I drove in from the north to the north parking lot (I'm not sure what letter/number it is/was) and they waved me on it. The lot was full (shrunk due to all the construction) and they waved me all the way through and over to the parking structure, then just parked in there like a regular structure.

I spoke with a couple of ushers at the game about the parking and they mentioned that the intent for the time being at least is that parking will be 'free' as in it's factored into the ticket price now.

Thanks. I'm planning on coming in via Cerritos/Douglass as well. Slightly out of the way for me, but I have a gut feeling I'll be better off than dumping off 57N at Katella.

 

[AJFireman]

update from OCVIBE

OCVibe reveals details of the 5,000-seat concert hall that opens in 2027

With the new venue, Orange County finally has a mid-sized theater to compete with venues such as the YouTube Theater in Inglewood and Greek and Peacock theaters in LA.

www.ocregister.com

 

[TP2000]

I made fun of OCVibe with the best of 'em years ago, when they kept pushing back the start date and had a cringey website that talked about "Woonerfs".

But they really turned themselves around! It took a few years, but they got it going. When I went to look at the place last Thanksgiving, it was impressive and really well done. The parking garage alone looks 10 times better, and far more elegant and upscale, than anything Disneyland has done in the past 25 years.

Old friends in the OC commercial real estate business tell me the OC Vibe team is really doing great things with curating a good collection to fill out the dining and retail components.

Paired with the Samueli family's $1 Billion full remake of the Honda Center for the '28 Olympics, and OC Vibe is looking quite impressive. And their new website doesn't have a single mention of a Woonerf!

Now if the silly Anaheim Mayor can stop pretending there is a "waterfront" there, or actually do something about it, the OC Vibe project could be darn near perfect by '28.

 

[TP2000]

I learned from a friend recently that they are building parking garages for 12,000+ cars as part of OCVibe's first phase. That's more than Mickey & Friends had when it opened in 2000!

The interesting thing is that they are using technology to do away with parking toll booths. Your parking at any one of OCVibe's huge structures is already included when you buy a ticket to attend an event at Honda Center, or the 5,000 seat theater, or the smaller venue clubs on the site. You just pull right in and park, your paper or phone-based ticket gets you out at the end of the night.

If you are parking there for one of the restaurants, the restaurant hostess will validate your parking if they offer that, or you pay at a machine on your way out like many parking facilities already do.

Would such a concept ever work for Disneyland? I think it easily could. If you have to have a park reservation to get into the park, why not just include parking on that tickets barcode/QR code? You would no longer need the long line of cars waiting for 20 or 30 minutes to pay $40 per car from a human CM to get into Mickey & Friends or the new Eastern Gateway.

It would eliminate a lot of CM's and dramatically speed up the process of getting into a carage and getting parked, that's for sure!

 

[Disney Irish]

I learned from a friend recently that they are building parking garages for 12,000+ cars as part of OCVibe's first phase. That's more than Mickey & Friends had when it opened in 2000!

The interesting thing is that they are using technology to do away with parking toll booths. Your parking at any one of OCVibe's huge structures is already included when you buy a ticket to attend an event at Honda Center, or the 5,000 seat theater, or the smaller venue clubs on the site. You just pull right in and park, your paper or phone-based ticket gets you out at the end of the night.

If you are parking there for one of the restaurants, the restaurant hostess will validate your parking if they offer that, or you pay at a machine on your way out like many parking facilities already do.

Would such a concept ever work for Disneyland? I think it easily could. If you have to have a park reservation to get into the park, why not just include parking on that tickets barcode/QR code? You would no longer need the long line of cars waiting for 20 or 30 minutes to pay $40 per car from a human CM to get into Mickey & Friends or the new Eastern Gateway.

It would eliminate a lot of CM's and dramatically speed up the process of getting into a carage and getting parked, that's for sure!

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It was described in an article in the Register last year -

Two parking garages are open to the public at Honda Center, first components of OCVibe

Cerritos Garage C and Katella Garage K near the 57 freeway bring 4,500 new parking spaces.

www.ocregister.com

Its basically "free" public parking with purchase, not really a new concept or new technology.

Disney would never do that. They could remove the ticket booths completely but it would only be to go full digital where you purchase Parking on the Disneyland App and you scan it for verification to authorize parking access. They could even automate it where it even tells you what parking spot to go to.

Doing this though would mean lots of CM job cuts, not something I think many CMs would be appreciative of.

 

[NobodyElse]

The interesting thing is that they are using technology to do away with parking toll booths. Your parking at any one of OCVibe's huge structures is already included when you buy a ticket to attend an event at Honda Center, or the 5,000 seat theater, or the smaller venue clubs on the site. You just pull right in and park, your paper or phone-based ticket gets you out at the end of the night.

If you are parking there for one of the restaurants, the restaurant hostess will validate your parking if they offer that, or you pay at a machine on your way out like many parking facilities already do.

I went to a Ducks game some months ago. I drove into the lot, parked, and eventually left with no interaction or verification. (Also, no technology.) The price was "built into the ticket", and I guess since there was really nothing else there to do, it made some sense. Perhaps in the future they'll look for some sort of validation upon exit. I don't know.

We were treated to this game, and under normal circumstances, the four of us would have at least met somewhere close and carpooled. We didn't. They make it seem like you're wasting pre-paid money by doing so. (As has been mentioned before) this new scheme devalues carpooling, ridesharing, and public transportation. I hope they've figured that into their space allotment calculations.

 

[TP2000]

Its basically "free" public parking with purchase, not really a new concept or new technology.

Sorry, I should have explained more. I was getting a soft sales pitch from an old friend in OC who is involved in commercial real estate; the soft sales pitch was to invest in two restaurants coming to OCVibe in Spring, 2027.

The mention of "Disneyland" was made specifically as the parking experience OCVibe wants to eliminate, and thus "elevate" themselves and the OCVibe experience above and beyond that type of annoying beginning and end to a visit.

The OCVibe parking structures already built, and still under construction, were designed and built with this new technology in advance. There was not a mass line of parking toll booths to handle cash/card transactions built for any of the structures with thousands of parking spaces in them. The entire parking infrastructure is being designed with parking fee already included in your Honda Center ticket, or your ticket to the 5,000 seat concert theater that opens this winter.

When the restaurants start coming online, the upscale versions will offer free validation via a QR code. The Katella Commons food Hall and the bars will require the patrons to pay upon exit via machines, much like airports or GardenWalk does.

But for the big ticket events; anything at the Honda Center, or the concert venue, or a swanky restaurant that validates for 3 hours, your parking is included in the ticket (QR code) or meal (QR code distributed by restaurant hostesses). It's not "free", the parking fee is just folded into the cost of your ticket or meal automatically.

If you take the bus to a Ducks game, you are getting the short end of the stick, admittedly. You subsidize the parking costs, even though you didn't use the parking structures.

Disney would never do that. They could remove the ticket booths completely but it would only be to go full digital where you purchase Parking on the Disneyland App and you scan it for verification to authorize parking access. They could even automate it where it even tells you what parking spot to go to.

That's exactly what I had in mind. Disneyland copies the OCVibe parking model and folds pre-paid parking into your ticket purchase. No more long waits in line to get to a CM for a transaction for admittance to the parking structure. Perhaps have 2 or 3 lanes for parking transactions, but most people would already have the parking paid for and a QR code attached to their park ticket reservation for that day.

Most lanes of Mickey & Friends would be designated as Pre-Paid lanes, and you sail through quickly without a CM interaction by just scanning your QR code for a second. Immediately speeding up the process and lessening wait times.

Doing this though would mean lots of CM job cuts, not something I think many CMs would be appreciative of.

There's a lot of guys who used to make buggy whips that were put out of a job too.

Disneyland used to employ entire armies of "Ticket Sellers" in dozens of windows out in the Esplanade to sell paper tickets to people arriving for the day. The vast majority of park tickets into the 2010's were sold this way.

Now, most of those ticket windows sit empty. They've already removed several of those abandoned ticket buildings to build Portos.

Until 1983, they used to have to staff a CM at the entrance to every single ride or show to take your ticket. They did away with that by going to a "Passport" system instead, where all rides were included. They got rid of dozens of CM shifts per day by doing that.

They used to have more cashiers at restaurants to take your order and process your payment. Now many people eat their way around Disneyland entirely using the Mobile Order App, and never deal with a CM cashier.

They used to employ over a hundred CM's to put on elaborate stage shows in the Hyperion Theater, four or five times per day. They used to have daily parades at DCA that also employed a hundred or more CM's.

Technologically speaking, there's no reason why Disneyland couldn't upgrade to an OCVibe style of parking operation and get rid of at least 75% of their staffed toll booths at their mega-structures.

 

[TP2000]

I went to a Ducks game some months ago. I drove into the lot, parked, and eventually left with no interaction or verification. (Also, no technology.) The price was "built into the ticket", and I guess since there was really nothing else there to do, it made some sense. Perhaps in the future they'll look for some sort of validation upon exit. I don't know.

From post above, that's exactly the design and operation they are going to be using.

The mention of "Disneyland" was made specifically, and in a derogatory way, as the type of parking experience OCVibe wants to avoid in order to "elevate" their experience using technology.

Se were treated to this game, and under normal circumstances, the four of us would have at least met somewhere close and carpooled. We didn't. They make it seem like you're wasting pre-paid money by doing so. (As has been mentioned before) this new scheme devalues carpooling, ridesharing, and public transportation. I hope they've figured that into their space allotment calculations.

Interesting point. There was no mention of mass transit in our conversation. To be honest, the entire concept of ARTIC is a total joke to the OCVibe organization and its investors, just as it's a joke for the central OC community at large. Luckily for OCVibe, it's a striking facility architecturally (especially at night), so they're fine with letting it sit there empty and abandoned but still looking good.

But definitely, the person who buys their Ducks ticket and then takes a bus for some reason to the game is subsidizing the 12,000 parking spaces at OCVibe. The tickets are being bumped up in price to accommodate parking.

The same thing will happen for the tickets to any event in the 5,000 seat concert hall at OCVibe that opens next year.

 

[Parteecia]

I would love to get rid of the parking booths if for no other reason than everyone in front of me seems to want the CM to plan their day for them, asking question after question.

 

[TP2000]

I would love to get rid of the parking booths if for no other reason than everyone in front of me seems to want the CM to plan their day for them, asking question after question.

Agreed. This whole experience is just such a mess.

Especially when it starts way out here, and you've got another 30 minutes of it to go....

The thought that somehow the Parking Toll Booth CM's shouldn't be put out of a job by technology is an interesting one.

They've already put the Ticket Sellers out of a job mostly in the 2010's, and already put a lot of Ticket Takers out of jobs with the new turnstile technology in the 2020's, and the switch to Passports in '83. Restaurant cashiers are a vanishing breed thanks to Mobile Order. The Kodak Store is shuttered and gone, replaced by iPhones. They used to staff CM's at all the popular Fastpass machines to help distribute tens of thousands of paper tickets per day, but now those CM's are long gone as with the paper tickets. They used to post a pretty girl holding the menu in a fancy dress out in front of all the sit-down restaurants, but now those CM's are gone too (But they still have them in Tokyo Disneyland, because OLC).

(Tokyo DisneySea & Disneyland still staffing smiling hostesses holding menus at the front doors of all sit-down restaurants, like it was 1982 or something!)

Not sure why the Parking Toll Booth human CM's are the hill to die on, but I doubt there will be many left 10 years from now. So long as Disneyland gets with the times and uses an OCVibe type of tech operation.

 

[Disney Irish]

Sorry, I should have explained more. I was getting a soft sales pitch from an old friend in OC who is involved in commercial real estate; the soft sales pitch was to invest in two restaurants coming to OCVibe in Spring, 2027.

The mention of "Disneyland" was made specifically as the parking experience OCVibe wants to eliminate, and thus "elevate" themselves and the OCVibe experience above and beyond that type of annoying beginning and end to a visit.

The OCVibe parking structures already built, and still under construction, were designed and built with this new technology in advance. There was not a mass line of parking toll booths to handle cash/card transactions built for any of the structures with thousands of parking spaces in them. The entire parking infrastructure is being designed with parking fee already included in your Honda Center ticket, or your ticket to the 5,000 seat concert theater that opens this winter.

When the restaurants start coming online, the upscale versions will offer free validation via a QR code. The Katella Commons food Hall and the bars will require the patrons to pay upon exit via machines, much like airports or GardenWalk does.

But for the big ticket events; anything at the Honda Center, or the concert venue, or a swanky restaurant that validates for 3 hours, your parking is included in the ticket (QR code) or meal (QR code distributed by restaurant hostesses). It's not "free", the parking fee is just folded into the cost of your ticket or meal automatically.

If you take the bus to a Ducks game, you are getting the short end of the stick, admittedly. You subsidize the parking costs, even though you didn't use the parking structures.

Again this isn't new technology or even a new concept. This is again the concept of "free" with purchase. You call it rolling it into the purchase of your ticket, its still "free" with purchase. A concept that has been used for about 30 years in many venues around the world, including many sporting complexes around the US. Those that have parking with their NFL tickets know this concept very well for example, something I've had with my NFL tickets for about 15 years.

So it might be "new" to the OC region, but its not new in the world.

That's exactly what I had in mind. Disneyland copies the OCVibe parking model and folds pre-paid parking into your ticket purchase. No more long waits in line to get to a CM for a transaction for admittance to the parking structure. Perhaps have 2 or 3 lanes for parking transactions, but most people would already have the parking paid for and a QR code attached to their park ticket reservation for that day.

Most lanes of Mickey & Friends would be designated as Pre-Paid lanes, and you sail through quickly without a CM interaction by just scanning your QR code for a second. Immediately speeding up the process and lessening wait times.



There's a lot of guys who used to make buggy whips that were put out of a job too.

Disneyland used to employ entire armies of "Ticket Sellers" in dozens of windows out in the Esplanade to sell paper tickets to people arriving for the day. The vast majority of park tickets into the 2010's were sold this way.

Now, most of those ticket windows sit empty. They've already removed several of those abandoned ticket buildings to build Portos.

Until 1983, they used to have to staff a CM at the entrance to every single ride or show to take your ticket. They did away with that by going to a "Passport" system instead, where all rides were included. They got rid of dozens of CM shifts per day by doing that.

They used to have more cashiers at restaurants to take your order and process your payment. Now many people eat their way around Disneyland entirely using the Mobile Order App, and never deal with a CM cashier.

They used to employ over a hundred CM's to put on elaborate stage shows in the Hyperion Theater, four or five times per day. They used to have daily parades at DCA that also employed a hundred or more CM's.

Technologically speaking, there's no reason why Disneyland couldn't upgrade to an OCVibe style of parking operation and get rid of at least 75% of their staffed toll booths at their mega-structures.

Yes but many of those CMs are now part of a union that weren't there when Disney originally started getting rid of ticket takers. So my guess would be that those unions would put up a fight to ensure that those jobs stay as long as possible. That is not to say that eventually Disney would do the same thing with Parking, but we know how the unions fight to keep jobs during contract negotiations. Its part of the reason why we still have much of the same Bag Check Security at DLR instead of the newer body scanners like many other Parks use including WDW.

We'll see how the new Pumbaa structure for the EGW gets built over the next 18-24 months, my guess is it'll have ticket booths for Parking just like M&Fs and Pixar Pals.

 

[TP2000]

Again this isn't new technology or even a new concept. This is again the concept of "free" with purchase. You call it rolling it into the purchase of your ticket, its still "free" with purchase. A concept that has been used for about 30 years in many venues around the world, including many sporting complexes around the US. Those that have parking with their NFL tickets know this concept very well for example, something I've had with my NFL tickets for about 15 years.

So it might be "new" to the OC region, but its not new in the world.

QR codes and pre-paid parking fees sitting on your iPhone with your Ducks tickets (or Cher concert, or the Circus, or whatever is happening at the Honda Center) is relatively new technology.

The Disneyland Resort Parking infrastructure still operates exactly the same way it did a quarter century ago, when Mickey & Friends opened in 2000. And that was just a stacked version of the parking lot operation they'd had since 1955, with a dedicated tram route instead of variable tram routes.

The OCVibe parking structures for 12,000+ cars are being designed very differently from the start, without a long row of toll booths manned by humans to take your 20 bucks for hockey parking.

I hope the Disneyland Resort can get up to speed and take on this type of OCVibe operation. It would not only prevent the traffic from backing up onto surface streets and the freeway, it would make the entire arrival and departure experience easier and better for paying customers.

Yes but many of those CMs are now part of a union that weren't there when Disney originally started getting rid of ticket takers.

The Ticket Sellers and Takers CM's are part of the Master Services Council union with Disneyland. They've been there since 1955. Except now most of them have been replaced by technology, and the ticket booths are mostly abandoned and empty. The jobs disappeared, and were replaced with Apps.

Remember these? How busy they were, with a CM in each window, with long lines of people waiting to buy a ticket?

The same will happen with Parking Lot Toll Booth Attendants, a job task that no longer needs a human. Or even a booth.

We'll see how the new Pumbaa structure for the EGW gets built over the next 18-24 months, my guess is it'll have ticket booths for Parking just like M&Fs and Pixar Pals.

I think you'll always need at least a few staffed booths at a parking structure the size of Mickey & Friends (17,000 spaces) or the Eastern Gateway (8,000+ spaces). But the writing is on the wall, and OCVibe is going to prove you can park 10,000+ cars in paid parking spaces with peak arrival and departure times, with only a skeleton crew of humans.

Disneyland should do the same. I can't imagine that TDA will stick their head in the sand and pretend it's 1975 forever and they need dozens of Toll Booth CM's to manually take your money and hand you a ticket. It's an overdue change, and should help speed the entire messy process they have on their hands every weekend at Mickey & Friends.

 

[Disney Irish]

QR codes and pre-paid parking fees sitting on your iPhone with your Ducks tickets (or Cher concert, or the Circus, or whatever is happening at the Honda Center) is relatively new technology.

The Disneyland Resort Parking infrastructure still operates exactly the same way it did a quarter century ago, when Mickey & Friends opened in 2000. And that was just a stacked version of the parking lot operation they'd had since 1955, with a dedicated tram route instead of variable tram routes.

The OCVibe parking structures for 12,000+ cars are being designed very differently from the start, without a long row of toll booths manned by humans to take your 20 bucks for hockey parking.

I hope the Disneyland Resort can get up to speed and take on this type of OCVibe operation. It would not only prevent the traffic from backing up onto surface streets and the freeway, it would make the entire arrival and departure experience easier and better for paying customers.

Again it maybe new to Orange County venues, but its not new technology. For example my local mall has quite a few paid parking structure and been using QR codes for parking fees for about 15 years, started in the early to mid 2010s. Again many sporting venues around the country have been doing the same. Again my local NFL stadium where I'm a season ticket holder has been doing this also for a long time where I pull up the parking pass in the app and have it scanned for parking admittance.

It should also be noted that MANY venues across the world that previously hadn't used them started switching to these contactless parking payment systems back in 2020/2021 during the pandemic, QR codes were the quickest, cheapest, and easiest way to implement them. So again the rise of them have been going on for a long time now.

So just because its "new" to you and maybe new to Orange County venues doesn't mean its new technology. This reminds me of the other thread where you got enamored by "flashy" technology that you thought was new but really wasn't just because you hadn't experienced it before.

The Ticket Sellers and Takers CM's are part of the Master Services Council union with Disneyland. They've been there since 1955. Except now most of them have been replaced by technology, and the ticket booths are mostly abandoned and empty. The jobs disappeared, and were replaced with Apps.

Remember these? How busy they were, with a CM in each window, with long lines of people waiting to buy a ticket?

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The same will happen with Parking Lot Toll Booth Attendants, a job task that no longer needs a human. Or even a booth.



I think you'll always need at least a few staffed booths at a parking structure the size of Mickey & Friends (17,000 spaces) or the Eastern Gateway (8,000+ spaces). But the writing is on the wall, and OCVibe is going to prove you can park 10,000+ cars in paid parking spaces with peak arrival and departure times, with only a skeleton crew of humans.

Disneyland should do the same. I can't imagine that TDA will stick their head in the sand and pretend it's 1975 forever and they need dozens of Toll Booth CM's to manually take your money and hand you a ticket. It's an overdue change, and should help speed the entire messy process they have on their hands every weekend at Mickey & Friends.

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Should do and will do are obviously two very different things in the world of Disney.

 

[TP2000]

Again it maybe new to Orange County venues, but its not new technology. For example my local mall has quite a few paid parking structure and been using QR codes for parking fees for about 15 years, in the early to mid 2010s. Again many sporting venues around the country have been doing the same. Again my local NFL stadium where I'm a season ticket holder has been doing this also for a long time where I pull up the parking pass in the app and have it scanned for parking admittance.

It should also be noted that MANY venues across the world that previously hadn't used them started switching to these contactless parking payment systems back in 2020/2021 during the pandemic, QR codes were the quickest, cheapest, and easiest way to implement them. So again the rise of them have been going on for a long time now.

It's not new to me. Or OC. I'd used a QR code/App for the valet parking at John Wayne for years before I moved. My doctor's office in Newport Beach had a medical building where the receptionist gave you a QR code to exit without paying.

It's new to Disneyland. Disneyland is still running it's massive parking infrastructure the same way they've run it since 1955: Pay on entry for the day, by giving your cash (or later a credit card or tap payment) to a human CM in a toll booth.

So just because its "new" to you and maybe new to Orange County venues doesn't mean its new technology. This reminds me of the other thread where you got enamored by "flashy" technology that you thought was new but really wasn't just because you hadn't experienced it before.

Are you talking about my neighbor's driverless Tesla robot car? Yeah, that was incredibly impressive to see first hand!

The car drives itself, with no human input to steering wheel or pedals, and it navigated traffic signs and other traffic all on its own. He can get in the car and literally say out loud to the dashboard "Take me to Harmon's" and then it just drives him there to the supermarket.

The full self driving feature is still relatively new, and I'd imagine a great majority of Americans (at least 90% or more) have yet to experience it. I'm incredibly impressed and floored by it!

Should do and will do are obviously two very different things in the world of Disney.

Agreed. But when there are massive labor savings to be had, and there are with their huge parking operation, TDA seems to make things happen faster than slower. See what they did with Ticket Sellers and turnstile CM's, or restaurant cashiers, all unionized CM's replaced with an App for a recent example.

 

[Disney Irish]

It's not new to me. Or OC. I'd used a QR code/App for the valet parking at John Wayne for years before I moved. My doctor's office in Newport Beach had a medical building where the receptionist gave you a QR code to exit without paying.

It's new to Disneyland. Disneyland is still running it's massive parking infrastructure the same way they've run it since 1955: Pay on entry for the day, by giving your cash (or later a credit card or tap payment) to a human CM in a toll booth.



Are you talking about my neighbor's driverless Tesla robot car? Yeah, that was incredibly impressive to see first hand!

The car drives itself, with no human input to steering wheel or pedals, and it navigated traffic signs and other traffic all on its own. He can get in the car and literally say out loud to the dashboard "Take me to Harmon's" and then it just drives him there to the supermarket.

The full self driving feature is still relatively new, and I'd imagine a great majority of Americans (at least 90% or more) have yet to experience it. I'm incredibly impressed and floored by it!



Agreed. But when there are massive labor savings to be had, and there are with their huge parking operation, TDA seems to make things happen faster than slower. See what they did with Ticket Sellers and turnstile CM's, or restaurant cashiers, all unionized CM's replaced with an App for a recent example.

The point continues to be, it’s not new technology even if and when DLR decides to Implement it. In fact I would even say it’s so not new it’s basically mundane at this point and that almost everyone expects it everywhere they go.

However again my bet it the new parking structure for the EGW that will begin construction this fall will still have the same booths as M&Fs and Pixar Pals.

 

[TP2000]

The point continues to be, it’s not new technology even if and when DLR decides to Implement it. In fact I would even say it’s so not new it’s basically mundane at this point and that almost everyone expects it everywhere they go.

I don't know they expect it at mass events like Disneyland or the County Fair, or similar events with pay-on-entry parking.
But things are changing thanks to technology, so that should become an expectation quickly among the general public. I know that Angel Stadium offers pre-paid parking via QR code.

OCVibe just took it one step further, and automatically includes parking in your game or concert ticket. Mandatory. Even if you take the bus.

However again my bet it the new parking structure for the EGW that will begin construction this fall will still have the same booths as M&Fs and Pixar Pals.

So your opinion is that even though the technology now exists to radically redesign parking infrastructure and save on labor costs by eliminating most of the staffed ticket booths for a 10,000 space parking structure, Disney will decide to keep on parking cars like it's 1975 and ask people to stop to pay for a parking ticket from a small army of CM's at booths?

That's a fascinating take on things.

Why do you think they no longer staff the dozens of ticket windows in the Esplanade?

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't know they expect it at mass events like Disneyland or the County Fair, or similar events with pay-on-entry parking.
But things are changing thanks to technology, so that should become an expectation quickly among the general public. I know that Angel Stadium offers pre-paid parking via QR code.

OCVibe just took it one step further, and automatically includes parking in your game or concert ticket. Mandatory. Even if you take the bus.

I don't know why you can't separate things. This is not new technology, period full stop. And yes even at mass event such as sporting events they are including the parking with the event ticket, again period full stop. This is becoming the norm at most venues and is expected. So this isn't some new concept that OCVibe just invented, they took an existing concept and included it in their existing and upcoming parking structures.

The only thing you've been correct on so far is that its just not currently being used at Disneyland, and this is for many reasons.

So your opinion is that even though the technology now exists to radically redesign parking infrastructure and save on labor costs by eliminating most of the staffed ticket booths for a 10,000 space parking structure, Disney will decide to keep on parking cars like it's 1975 and ask people to stop to pay for a parking ticket from a small army of CM's at booths?

That's a fascinating take on things.

Why do you think they no longer staff the dozens of ticket windows in the Esplanade?

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It was a combination of the DLR app and the pandemic that replaced the need for dozens of ticket windows. You can go back on this site and see all the complaints what it happened. However they have not been replaced completely, you can still use the old Lost and Found booth if you want to purchase day of single day tickets. So they still have CMs manning that booth.

As for the future of parking at DLR, I suspect eventually they will get to a 100% CM free (or near 100% CM free) parking experience, but not in the near future. They will move to a full digital experience first where you purchase parking via the App before removing all CMs. And I don't expect that until after the EGW is finished and operating. So it could be another 5-10 years before we get to that.

 

[TP2000]

I don't know why you can't separate things. This is not new technology, period full stop. And yes even at mass event such as sporting events they are including the parking with the event ticket, again period full stop. This is becoming the norm at most venues and is expected. So this isn't some new concept that OCVibe just invented, they took an existing concept and included it in their existing and upcoming parking structures.

I just checked. The Dodgers, the Angels, the Lakers, and the Rams all require an extra parking charge in addition to their game tickets. Only the Ducks automatically includes parking in the new OCVibe structures in their ticket price. Checked again, and the Padres are also not including parking automatically in their tickets for the 2026 season; parking is charged separately either in advance or day-of.

This is a new All-In-One concept the Ducks are pioneering at OCVibes new parking structures, and the Samueli family is going all in by building their parking infrastructure without the need for an army of parking booth attendants to process 10,000+ cars per day.

Checked the Mariners just now too... Parking is not included in Mariners tickets for the 2026 season. Parking in SODO is extra.

As for the future of parking at DLR, I suspect eventually they will get to a 100% CM free (or near 100% CM free) parking experience, but not in the near future. They will move to a full digital experience first where you purchase parking via the App before removing all CMs.

I would never expect them to remove all the CM's from staffed booths. They'll need to keep at least one or two staffed booths operating at their big structures, just for those crazy one-off situations and dumb tourists.

But the days of dozens of CM's staffing 2 or 3 per booth in a long line of toll booths should be coming to an end. OCVibe is proving you can have a giant (10,000+ spaces) parking operation with peak arrival and departure times just like Disneyland, and not staff parking booth attendants.

And I don't expect that until after the EGW is finished and operating. So it could be another 5-10 years before we get to that.

TDA just cut the table linens out of the nicest restaurant at the Resort, the Napa Rose, to save a few bucks. You can darn well bet a group from TDA has already gone to sniff around the OCVibe facility and see the current state of the art for mass parking. And they'll incorporate that into the Eastern Gateway sooner than later.

I'd say the army of parking booth attendants have about 2-3 years left, not 5-10 years.

 

[Disney Irish]

I just checked. The Dodgers, the Angels, the Lakers, and the Rams all require an extra parking charge in addition to their game tickets. Only the Ducks automatically includes parking in the new OCVibe structures in their ticket price. Checked again, and the Padres are also not including parking automatically in their tickets for the 2026 season; parking is charged separately either in advance or day-of.

This is a new All-In-One concept the Ducks are pioneering at OCVibes new parking structures, and the Samueli family is going all in by building their parking infrastructure without the need for an army of parking booth attendants to process 10,000+ cars per day.

Checked the Mariners just now too... Parking is not included in Mariners tickets for the 2026 season. Parking in SODO is extra.

I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. Its becoming common for parking to be included in many venue events. For example San Jose Earthquakes were including Parking with some of their season ticket packages -

San Jose Earthquakes

Official home of San Jose’s Major League Soccer club, two-time Supporters’ Shield winners and two-time MLS Cup Champs

www.sjearthquakes.com

I would never expect them to remove all the CM's from staffed booths. They'll need to keep at least one or two staffed booths operating at their big structures, just for those crazy one-off situations and dumb tourists.

But the days of dozens of CM's staffing 2 or 3 per booth in a long line of toll booths should be coming to an end. OCVibe is proving you can have a giant (10,000+ spaces) parking operation with peak arrival and departure times just like Disneyland, and not staff parking booth attendants.



TDA just cut the table linens out of the nicest restaurant at the Resort, the Napa Rose, to save a few bucks. You can darn well bet a group from TDA has already gone to sniff around the OCVibe facility and see the current state of the art for mass parking. And they'll incorporate that into the Eastern Gateway sooner than later.

I'd say the army of parking booth attendants have about 2-3 years left, not 5-10 years.

We'll see.

 

[TP2000]

I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. Its becoming common for parking to be included in many venue events. For example San Jose Earthquakes were including Parking with some of their season ticket packages -

San Jose Earthquakes

Official home of San Jose’s Major League Soccer club, two-time Supporters’ Shield winners and two-time MLS Cup Champs

www.sjearthquakes.com

There's no argument here. It's just a simple fact that the Ducks are the only major league sports team on the West Coast, and likely the nation, to now automatically include parking in all of their game tickets. Whether you use the parking space or not, it's now automatically included in the ticket price.

The Angels don't do it, the Lakers the Rams and the Dodgers don't do it. The Padres don't do it. The Mariners and Seahawks don't do it. And when Cher or the Circus or the Boat Show comes to the Honda Center, parking in OCVibe will be included in the ticket price for those events too.

And the organization that owns the Ducks, the Samueli family, have just built new state-of-the-art parking structures without staffed toll booths. And their upcoming dining/entertainment center will not need toll booth attendants to operate.

This is an entirely new concept in parking/ticketing for pro sports, and I think Disneyland could easily transition to that type of Ducks/OCVibe system and no longer employ a heckuva lot of CM's who currently operate all those staffed toll booths for them. On both coasts.