MK Villains Land Announced for Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom

[MrPromey]

I want to split hairs! A 5 minute ride is 67% longer than a 3 minute ride.

Ah, I went down instead of up! (your percentage is way more impressive than mine!.. and of course, is the correct one for how I worded it.)

 

[DisneyHead123]

UOE was probably the longest attraction of any ride built in a Disney park....and that was not even close to 60 minutes... So there would be no worry about them ever building a ride that long... I do miss attractions like Horizons where it really felt like a journey.....instead of the 2-3 minute attractions of today...Hi\egher cost for the consumer overall, more time spent in long lines...(unless you want to double up on your admission cost) and still none of the rides are much over a couple minutes...

I agree for the most part with the caveat that short times work well for some specific rides, imo. The spinner rides feel plenty long to me at around 1-2 minutes. Some of the dark rides would probably be boring if they were much longer. But I do think having those longer (like 10-20 minutes) experiences is really nice.

For Villains my hope is a somewhat longer ride, although depending on the format, I think 5-8 minutes could be plenty. If it’s essentially a dark ride, coaster, or combination of the two I think there’s a limit to how long those stay engaging. I do hope they have interesting areas built into the land that serve as quasi walkthrough attractions, however, in that they’re interesting with a lot to explore.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Curveball: let’s say it's a boat ride like Pirates or IASW. On the one hand, there's no safety bar but on the other, your escape requires wading through 3-4 feet of water. Does that change anything?

I would peace out of there no question in that situation, ha ha!

Riffing off your final statement, I could see a FOP as part of a larger experience similar to the way Rise works that's much longer but for just that simulator, there are obviously time constraints for how expensive it would be to support guest throughput with those screens and a longer movie, as well as limits to how long that seating would be comfortable and for how long people want to be jostled around.

Making that longer along, even if financially/technically possible would require a more traditional seat and many periods of limited movement which would hurt the effect of the simulated flight.

I feel like at that point it’s getting into 4D movie territory like Tough To Be A Bug and now Zootopia. I think it would be cool to see an attraction like that built with modern technology, I bet they could really do a lot with it.

My own personal argument isn't that we should go back to the days of the 2 hour studio tour at Hollywood Studios, just that I would like to see not every new attraction guaranteed to have a massive wait always have such a short runtime (an argument I hold for both Universal and Disney).

Disney considering it acceptable for someone to spend a full day in their parks and experience 6 attractions, when most of those attractions are three minutes of less is not in my opinion, acceptable. If we're generous and say they average 4 minutes each, that would mean in an entire day someone is getting 24 minutes of actual attraction time. I guess maybe 44 minutes of entertainment if they also watched a parade. We all know where most of the rest of that 7+ hours is going and it's not shopping and dining.

I guess my frame of reference is different… 6 attractions would be a wildly successful day for us. But my son was at peak meltdown / side quest age on our last visits, so I may see it differently as he gets older.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I would peace out of there no question in that situation, ha ha!



I feel like at that point it’s getting into 4D movie territory like Tough To Be A Bug and now Zootopia. I think it would be cool to see an attraction like that built with modern technology, I bet they could really do a lot with it.



I guess my frame of reference is different… 6 attractions would be a wildly successful day for us. But my son was at peak meltdown / side quest age on our last visits, so I may see it differently as he gets older.

Maybe we should just switch out all rides for shows right? I mean they are longer and have a huge capacity. Just tears down the rides.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Maybe we should just switch out all rides for shows right? I mean they are longer and have a huge capacity. Just tears down the rides.

I actually do like the idea of more shows, although I’m mostly thinking live shows and Disney seems hesitant about hiring more performers.

On ride length - I don’t worry about it as much as some, my hope for Villains is like a 5-8 minute ride. To me that’s more than enough for a dark ride, although others mileage may vary of course.

 

[Professortango1]

Maybe we should just switch out all rides for shows right? I mean they are longer and have a huge capacity. Just tears down the rides.

I'm for that!! Live entertainment helps make a theme park experience feel varies and full vs a day of marathoning rides. Shows and unique table service restaurants are always a part of a perfect theme park day for me.

 

[DisneyHead123]

What are people's predictions for a potential Villians QS, by the way? I would actually love some kind of Cave of Wonders situation with popularized Middle Eastern food (cause no chance it's going to be something exotic) like hummus, gyros, falafel, etc. I could also see a kind of all purpose "multi Villains" setting with select villains getting a signature dish.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

What are people's predictions for a potential Villians QS, by the way?

- Candy store (like the one at Disney Springs, maybe looks like Sanderson Sister's Cottage?)
- Lounge (perhaps adjacent to dinner show)
- Dinner Show
- Cafeteria Restaurant (Kronk's Kitchen?)
- ODV with exclusive popcorn bucket

 

[Movielover]

- Cafeteria Restaurant (Kronk's Kitchen?)

My God if they actually give me a place I can order my 3 Oinkers Wearing Pants, Plate of Hot Air, Basket of Grandmas' Breakfast and change the Bull to a Gill I will forgive ANY shortcoming with Villains Land!

Don't tease me WDI!

 

[The Mom]

Once again, off topic posts will be deleted.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Josh D'Amaro and the Imagineers at Disney have their work cut out for them when it comes to designing a Villains themed land that will please everyone. Is it even possible? Some will want it darker to match the tone and emotional thrill factor of Epic Universe and their Dark Universe. Can you really blame them for wanting it? No. I mean, come on now, Monsters Unchained: The Frankenstein Experiment has to be one of the best rides of the genre ever created. Those in pursuit of a family friendly approach won't go for this! They couldn't even handle the excellently funny and a bit scary Alien Encounter two decades or so ago. Some folks would prefer a more humorous vision for the land. Maybe, in small doses, I could go for this. How about a blend? I'd like to see something along these lines:

The family friendly portion is in the front of the land. This makes it approachable for kids of all ages. The environment has to look a bit different than what's in Fantasyland, however. The rides for smaller kids focuses on attractions with less scary villains, while rides like the big rollercoaster use much darker ones. In village, use the Queen of Hearts, Captain Hook, and even Cruella De Vil. This will be the spot for character meet and greets, a couple of classic "C Ticket" level dark rides, a spinner hidden within a show building, a theater show, friendly themed shops, and a couple of quick service spots that would appeal to the family. One more thing: add a 'middle ground" coaster somewhere between the intensity of Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and Big Thunder Mountain Railway.

The rest of my suggestions for the "dark" portion of the land are here.

 

[monothingie]

What are people's predictions for a potential Villians QS, by the way? I would actually love some kind of Cave of Wonders situation with popularized Middle Eastern food (cause no chance it's going to be something exotic) like hummus, gyros, falafel, etc. I could also see a kind of all purpose "multi Villains" setting with select villains getting a signature dish.

Look to what they serve at Cosmic Rays during Halloween as typical meal items.

Lots of modified and unusually colored snacks and entrees and sides.

But if you're expecting something more wild than a bacon cheeseburger, then you're expecting too much.

 

[IMDREW]

If they just would let it look like the concept art people would love it. We already let them know when they revealed it.

 

[James Alucobond]

If they just would let it look like the concept art people would love it. We already let them know when they revealed it.

Maleficent's castle, pointy rockwork, and extremely vague silhouettes of any other structures in the land don't actually give you that much to assess.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

If they just would let it look like the concept art people would love it. We already let them know when they revealed it.

To set expectations it may help to remind you what the original galaxies edge concept art looked like….

 

[IMDREW]

Turned out pretty similar imo

 

[IMDREW]

Maleficent's castle, pointy rockwork, and extremely vague silhouettes of any other structures in the land don't actually give you that much to assess.

At least dont do a 180 on it

 

[DisneyHead123]

Look to what they serve at Cosmic Rays during Halloween as typical meal items.

Lots of modified and unusually colored snacks and entrees and sides.

But if you're expecting something more wild than a bacon cheeseburger, then you're expecting too much.

You’re probably right, but you never know. Docking Bay 7 is probably the closest non-MK template for a quick service in a new land and people seem to give it good reviews - maybe they go that route.

 

[Movielover]

You’re probably right, but you never know. Docking Bay 7 is probably the closest non-MK template for a quick service in a new land and people seem to give it good reviews - maybe they go that route.

Both Docking Bay 7 and Satu'li Canteen are fantastic quick service locations. They have great atmosphere, and the food is fun and creative while still being mass produced. They don't feel like quick service and that's why they are great. I really hope whatever is planned for Villains takes inspiration from those, and honestly it would be great to see the current MK quick service locations get similar upgrades. Pecos Bill is nice though, although it has been awhile since I've eaten there.

 

[MrPromey]

Both Docking Bay 7 and Satu'li Canteen are fantastic quick service locations. They have great atmosphere, and the food is fun and creative while still being mass produced. They don't feel like quick service and that's why they are great. I really hope whatever is planned for Villains takes inspiration from those, and honestly it would be great to see the current MK quick service locations get similar upgrades. Pecos Bill is nice though, although it has been awhile since I've eaten there.

The big problem with Pecos Bills is the same as Cosmic Ray's: The atmosphere of both at any meal time is "Are you using that chair?"

Feeling anxiety about being able to find a place to sit down and eat the $60-$75 worth of fast service you just bought for a family of three isn't fun.