DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[Jedi14]

Saw 'Hoppers' over the weekend. Way too preachy (and seeing the name of one of the executive producers, I know why...). Keep it away from AK.

How is Hoppers “too preachy?”

 

[_caleb]

God I love it when "You just hate all IP and change" people paint with the widest and broadest possible paint brush with anyone who disagrees with them... It makes you sound foolish and weak, like the decisions and positions you defend so ardently. Nuance is not something so many of those doing that understand, and it shows.

Saw 'Hoppers' over the weekend. Way too preachy (and seeing the name of one of the executive producers, I know why...). Keep it away from AK.

Not much nuance in your Hoppers review here.

Sounds "foolish and weak."

I'm kidding, of course. But if you're going to call for nuance (which I totally agree seems to be lacking in many posts around here), it seems important to make it a key component of your takes. Also, some of the people who disagree with you are neither foolish nor weak, they just see things differently.

And aren't all Disney films moralistic in some way (some might even say, "preachy")? Do you have a problem with all cautionary tales, morals-of-the-story, and lessons learned, or just the ones you're predisposed against?

I think a lot of people agree with you, so their cries of "Encanto doesn't fit in DAK!" isn't just about thematic fit; it's that they don't like one of the executive producers on the film or don't like its nuanced message.

 

[britain]

Haven't seen it yet, but I'm assuming the "preachy" aspect is "destroying animal's habitats for some expansion of human infrastructure is bad"?

 

[Incomudro]

Haven't seen it yet, but I'm assuming the "preachy" aspect is "destroying animal's habitats for some expansion of human infrastructure is bad"?

I watched a review on YouTube, where the reviewer said that she was actually surprised because the main character who is an over zealous activist - actually learns the lesson to be less extreme because her extremism was driving people away from her cause.

 

[HauntedPirate]

How is Hoppers “too preachy?”

"Look how bad man is, carelessly destroying nature and things"
"We're all in this together!"
"If we all just work together..."

The bones were there, but it wasn't assembled well.

Not much nuance in your Hoppers review here.

Sounds "foolish and weak."

I'm kidding, of course. But if you're going to call for nuance (which I totally agree seems to be lacking in many posts around here), it seems important to make it a key component of your takes. Also, some of the people who disagree with you are neither foolish nor weak, they just see things differently.

And aren't all Disney films moralistic in some way (some might even say, "preachy")? Do you have a problem with all cautionary tales, morals-of-the-story, and lessons learned, or just the ones you're predisposed against?

I think a lot of people agree with you, so their cries of "Encanto doesn't fit in DAK!" isn't just about thematic fit; it's that they don't like one of the executive producers on the film or don't like its nuanced message.

When one of the executive producers is one of those who was on the Lucasfilm Story Group responsible for the content of the sequel trilogy and one of the first things she wanted was an all-female cast...

And the nuance I mentioned, as I thought I clearly stated, was to those who claim "You just hate IP and change" whenever someone disagrees with park changes. Has nothing to do with movies. I loved 'Elio', 'Soul', 'Luca'... Love 'Tomorrowland' even though most panned it. I didn't say 'Hoppers' wasn't entertaining, just too preachy and I don't think it fits at AK.

 

[Nickm2022]

Not much nuance in your Hoppers review here.

Sounds "foolish and weak."

I'm kidding, of course. But if you're going to call for nuance (which I totally agree seems to be lacking in many posts around here), it seems important to make it a key component of your takes. Also, some of the people who disagree with you are neither foolish nor weak, they just see things differently.

And aren't all Disney films moralistic in some way (some might even say, "preachy")? Do you have a problem with all cautionary tales, morals-of-the-story, and lessons learned, or just the ones you're predisposed against?

I think a lot of people agree with you, so their cries of "Encanto doesn't fit in DAK!" isn't just about thematic fit; it's that they don't like one of the executive producers on the film or don't like its nuanced message.

Loved Hoppers, and would love a North America section of Hoppers, Bambi, or even Brother Bear

 

[FettFan]

Haven't seen it yet, but I'm assuming the "preachy" aspect is "destroying animal's habitats for some expansion of human infrastructure is bad"?

Unless TWDC does it. Then, it's actually good!

 

[FettFan]

Loved Hoppers, and would love a North America section of Hoppers, Bambi, or even Brother Bear

You mean like...

 

[Pizza Moon]

I am so hype for Encanto.

I am so hype for Indiana Jones.

I am so hype for reviving the old Tropical Americas concept.

Animal Kingdom is going to be FLAWLESS.

I guarantee they’re doing a drone and fountain show too.

 

[aladdin2007]

I am so hype for Encanto.

I am so hype for Indiana Jones.

I am so hype for reviving the old Tropical Americas concept.

Animal Kingdom is going to be FLAWLESS.

I guarantee they’re doing a drone and fountain show too.

all that may turn out to be pretty of good of course, but far from Flawless when you have slop like zootopia instead of a really good quality attraction. And while not mentioned above I'm not buying the preschool bluey stuff being shoehorned in either, its getting to where might as well call it toddlerkingdom. No comment on the last sentence.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Oh, this is now an armchair Imagineering thread?

Lemme tell you about my Darby O'Gill and the Little People ride idea and which park it most definitely should not go into!!!!

 

[Baron Von Capybara]

Oh, this is now an armchair Imagineering thread?

Lemme tell you about my Darby O'Gill and the Little People ride idea and which park it most definitely should not go into!!!!

 

[Centauri Space Station]

Perhaps if they invested into the "World Nature" Neighborhood it could all work, but the original Pavilions' modern architecture doesn't necessarily jive with the "World Nature" idea... If there were a gateway or portal off of the hub announcing your entrance into World Nature, and then all of the pathways to The Seas and The Land had a similar densely landscaped and tropical aesthetic.......tied together visually, it could all work harmoniously together, but as it is, there is nothing visually to tie any of those three attractions together as a neighborhood. Imagination area should have it's own gateway and an expanded more whimsical "Campus" area with multiple attractions, flat rides etc... It should be a garden of inventions for the Dreamfinder... not a part of another neighborhood but it's own neighborhood... the new Celebration Office Park Cafeteria Flex building should be part of the overall Imagination neighborhood... I think those changes could make it feel like less of a hodge-podge, and add some smaller rides for the younger set while re-establishing the presence of Imagination into the park.

I’m sorry but World nature is probably the most cohesive neighborhood and offers alot with 2 multi hour pavilions, 3 rides, 2 walkthroughs, 2 shows, 2 restaurants, and a quick service. The land, and ocean jive together well.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

But it is about the land/water cycle. And it is in front of the Land/Sea pavilions... And has nothing to do with animals.

No one really did.. that was a weird time. But I'm saying that Epcot's theme hasn't been some sacred thing that Big Bob Iger blasted apart on a Wednesday because he didn't like it. Multiple things can make their way into Epcot through various other connections, sometimes those connections are a little looser. I feel Moana is actually a fairly strong connection being about the land/sea and how it interacts with our water. It fits World Nature perfectly.

I get what you're saying, but to those of us who remember EPCOT Center, we remember when the park did not shove characters in your face. At least for me, that is why Moana doesn't seem to fit where it is. The content, sure. The presentation style and the giant goddess? Maybe inside a building, but not how it stands now. It's nothing personal here, @AidenRodriguez731. Just a perspective difference.

 

[Brer Panther]

"Encanto doesn't fit in DAK!" isn't just about thematic fit; it's that they don't like one of the executive producers on the film or don't like its nuanced message.

I can't speak for others on this site, but I can tell you that my not wanting an Encanto attraction in Animal Kingdom has nothing to do with me disliking the movie (I'm not a huge fan of it, but I thought it was alright), the people who made it, or its message.

 

[Pizza Moon]

I get what you're saying, but to those of us who remember EPCOT Center, we remember when the park did not shove characters in your face. At least for me, that is why Moana doesn't seem to fit where it is. The content, sure. The presentation style and the giant goddess? Maybe inside a building, but not how it stands now. It's nothing personal here, @AidenRodriguez731. Just a perspective difference.

Moana is a literal non-issue it’s the best edutainment thing they’ve done at EPCOT in decades.

Every criticism towards it makes larger critiques against IP seem so hollow.

Criticize Zootopia: Better Zoogether or Frozen: Ever after…

 

[_caleb]

And the nuance I mentioned, as I thought I clearly stated, was to those who claim "You just hate IP and change" whenever someone disagrees with park changes. Has nothing to do with movies.

Oh, I didn't realize you only think we need nuance around one specific topic of conversation. Thanks.

I get what you're saying, but to those of us who remember EPCOT Center, we remember when the park did not shove characters in your face. At least for me, that is why Moana doesn't seem to fit where it is. The content, sure. The presentation style and the giant goddess? Maybe inside a building, but not how it stands now. It's nothing personal here, @AidenRodriguez731. Just a perspective difference.

When I first visited Epcot in the summer of 1991, I don't remember much Disney IP in the park at all.

Having grown up going to Disneyland, Epcot Center initially felt a bit like a Disney knockoff to me because 1) it was a totally different concept from the castle parks, and 2) it didn't have familiar Disney IP.

 

[monothingie]

I am so hype for Encanto.

I am so hype for Indiana Jones.

I am so hype for reviving the old Tropical Americas concept.

Animal Kingdom is going to be FLAWLESS.

I guarantee they’re doing a drone and fountain show too.

JT? That you?

 

[monothingie]

"Look how bad man is, carelessly destroying nature and things"
"We're all in this together!"
"If we all just work together..."

The bones were there, but it wasn't assembled well.



When one of the executive producers is one of those who was on the Lucasfilm Story Group responsible for the content of the sequel trilogy and one of the first things she wanted was an all-female cast...

And the nuance I mentioned, as I thought I clearly stated, was to those who claim "You just hate IP and change" whenever someone disagrees with park changes. Has nothing to do with movies. I loved 'Elio', 'Soul', 'Luca'... Love 'Tomorrowland' even though most panned it. I didn't say 'Hoppers' wasn't entertaining, just too preachy and I don't think it fits at AK.

Even though it was done on the cheap at $150M and add a conservative $50M for marketing - likely $75M, it needs $400M to break even. It’s going to wind up loosing money, despite the cherry-picking done by others to tell you $88M opening is the best ever…for an original IP from over a decade ago when movie tickets where 50% cheaper.

 

[eddie104]

Boy I feel horrible for the Imagineers who worked on the Epcot rework because I swear nobody is ever gonna let them live the finished product down.

Even though at the end of the day it was Chapek’s budget slashing that sunk some of the more ambitious goals of the original project.

While overall I’m disappointed in some aspects of the new FW…I will say overall it’s an improvement aesthetically.