DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

[aladdin2007]

But it is about the land/water cycle. And it is in front of the Land/Sea pavilions... And has nothing to do with animals.

they can justify (weakly at that) all they want it still does not belong where it is.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

they can justify (weakly at that) all they want it still does not belong where it is.

And just so we can clarify, why did the Barbie show fit and Kitchen Kabaret? Or so many other attractions? How about Test Track, where does that fit ( I mean the OG)

 

[Tom Morrow]

Yeah if you remove the one educational part about most educational attractions, turns out it won't be educational. Who knew!

If you removed all the narration from Living with the Land, it would also not be very educational. If you removed the educational aspects of Spaceship Earth, its just a ride through scenes of history that we don't know anything about!

If you removed the educational dictated information on those attractions, they wouldn’t suddenly be about a Disney movie. Journey of Water’s educational aspect is paper thin and is more comparable to having random food facts pop up while riding Ratatouille - a ride that has food in it but is not about food and only about you escaping danger.

I know you keep thinking you’re full of gotchas, but you miss the bigger point nearly every single time.

I will say that Journey of Water does a good job of demonstrating the beauty of water. If we take in to consideration that an attraction like Soarin’ also has no educational value but celebrates the beauty of the world, Journey of Water fits. But aesthetically it does not.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

why did the Barbie show fit

Who said that it did? Ever. Lol

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

If you removed the educational dictated information on those attractions, they wouldn’t suddenly be about a Disney movie. Journey of Water is more comparable to having random food facts pop up while riding Ratatouille.

I know you keep thinking you’re full of gotchas, but you miss the bigger point nearly every single time.

I will say that Journey of Water does a good job of demonstrating the beauty of water. If we take in to consideration that an attraction like Soarin’ also has no educational value but celebrates the beauty of the world, Journey of Water fits. But aesthetically it does not.

Out of curiousity, how does the airport, greenhouse, glass pyramids, and undersea base fit together but not a educational play park themed to water. Because tropical trees/plants? There are tropical trees/plants throughout Epcot.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Who said that it did? Ever. Lol

No one really did.. that was a weird time. But I'm saying that Epcot's theme hasn't been some sacred thing that Big Bob Iger blasted apart on a Wednesday because he didn't like it. Multiple things can make their way into Epcot through various other connections, sometimes those connections are a little looser. I feel Moana is actually a fairly strong connection being about the land/sea and how it interacts with our water. It fits World Nature perfectly.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Who said that it did? Ever. Lol

Yes. Cherry picking outlier examples of things not fitting is not a gotcha. It does not change the fact that there was a time when 90% of everything in the park fit and made thematic sense.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Yes. Cherry picking outlier examples of things not fitting is not a gotcha. It does not change the fact that there was a time when 90% of everything in the park fit and made thematic sense.

If you would, please note what the park theme is and how it does not mesh with Journey of Water. Since you would be aware of something like that.

 

[aladdin2007]

No one really did.. that was a weird time. But I'm saying that Epcot's theme hasn't been some sacred thing that Big Bob Iger blasted apart on a Wednesday because he didn't like it. Multiple things can make their way into Epcot through various other connections, sometimes those connections are a little looser. I feel Moana is actually a fairly strong connection being about the land/sea and how it interacts with our water. It fits World Nature perfectly.

meh it never should have been world nature anyway, all that stuff its just added muck. They didn't need all those neighborhoods and add ons, no one even cares or calls them whatever the names are. Whats the other one called celebration or something? It should just have been Discovery World simple as that and concise. Now about that Dr. Jones....anyone know if the Dinos have been removed from inside yet?

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

meh it never should have been world nature anyway, all that stuff its just added muck. They didn't need all those neighborhoods and add ons, no one even cares or calls them whatever the names are. Whats the other one called celebration or something? It should just have been Discovery World simple as that and concise. Now about that Dr. Jones....anyone know if the Dinos has been removed from inside yet?

I think separating makes enough sense but I agree, lets get back on track. I'm assuming atleast some would HAVE to be removed by know if they're still dreaming of 2027

 

[eddie104]

And just so we can clarify, why did the Barbie show fit and Kitchen Kabaret? Or so many other attractions? How about Test Track, where does that fit ( I mean the OG)

You’re wasting time trying to argue with people who have already made up their minds.

Until Disney gets rid of the IP mandate they are never gonna be happy.

 

[Brer Panther]

I think Moana: Journey of Water would've worked best in Adventureland. As the interactive queue of an actual Moana ride. But that's just me.

 

[_caleb]

Until Disney gets rid of the IP mandate they are never gonna be happy.

Even this wouldn’t make them happy

 

[Tom Morrow]

If you would, please note what the park theme is and how it does not mesh with Journey of Water. Since you would be aware of something like that.

I'm a little lost I guess. Which park? DAK?

Here's my stance on Journey of Water:

- It's pretty, and beautiful at night.
- It's passable as a celebration of the beauty of water, and thus, nature, which fits the theme of "World Nature" and DAK as a whole.
- The educational aspect is paper thin - the scenery does not really display what the signs are talking about, and the interactive elements also largely just involve you making water magically rise and splash. The signage tries hard to pass it off as a science exhibit and pull its weight as an old school Epcot edutainment attraction, but it really is a Moana exhibit first and foremost because the main point is that you are controlling water like Moana.
- Aesthetically it does not fit with Epcot, which has always been a park with an abstract approach in both aesthetics and attraction concepts, IE looking at the world through the lens of science, technology, and cultural history, and presented in the form of a "World's Fair". Journey of Water presents a natural "real world" tropical lagoon. It clashes. It's like taking a slice of Typhoon Lagoon and putting it next to Spaceship Earth.
- I don't have a problem with walkthrough attractions, in fact I think the parks need more of them. It's just the center of Epcot is an odd place for one.

meh it never should have been world nature anyway, all that stuff its just added muck. They didn't need all those neighborhoods and add ons, no one even cares or calls them whatever the names are. Whats the other one called celebration or something? It should just have been Discovery World simple as that and concise. Now about that Dr. Jones....anyone know if the Dinos have been removed from inside yet?

Agreed, it should have all just been "World Discovery". All that was needed was to remove the word "Future". They made it convoluted and the "lands" have no clear borders of where one begins and one ends.

You’re wasting time trying to argue with people who have already made up their minds.

Until Disney gets rid of the IP mandate they are never gonna be happy.

Even this wouldn’t make them happy

I think you will find that all of us that dislike these type of changes are still singing praises when Disney does things legitimately well.

For instance, I praise Pandora, Flight of Passage, Rise of the Resistance, and (mostly) Galaxy's Edge. They're all done really well and are undeniably better than the spaces they replaced.

You're just choosing to decide that we hate all change because we don't agree with you here.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I'm a little lost I guess. Which park? DAK?

Here's my stance on Journey of Water:

- It's pretty
- It's passable as a celebration of the beauty of water, and thus, nature, which fits the theme of "World Nature" and DAK as a whole.
- The educational aspect is paper thin - the scenery does not really display what the signs are talking about, and the interactive elements also largely just involve you making water magically rise and splash. The signage tries hard to pass it off as a science exhibit and pull its weight as an old school Epcot edutainment attraction, but it really is a Moana exhibit first and foremost because the main point is that you are controlling water like Moana.
- Aesthetically it does not fit with Epcot, which has always been a park with an abstract approach, IE looking at the world through the lens of science, technology, and cultural history. Journey of Water presents a natural tropical lagoon. It clashes.
- I don't have a problem with walkthrough attractions, in fact I think the parks need more of them. It's just the center of Epcot is an odd place for one.



Agreed, it should have all just been "World Discovery". All that was needed was to remove the word "Future". They made it convoluted and the "lands" have no clear borders of where one begins and one ends.




I think you will find that all of us that dislike these type of changes are still singing praises when Disney does things legitimately well.

For instance, I praise Pandora, Flight of Passage, Rise of the Resistance, and (mostly) Galaxy's Edge. They're all done really well and are undeniably better than the spaces they replaced.

You're just choosing to decide that we hate all change because we don't agree with you here.

Would just like to point out that stuff like the Rainforest Coaster, Seabase, etc do show some "signs" of the more natural world where meant to be in this park. But overall I can see your point.

Btw I'm pretty sure the lands just flank the sides of Spaceship Earth with "World Discovery being the middle section before jutting out towards Odysessy + Imagination. I do agree they could have represented the changes a little better though

 

[UNCgolf]

Would just like to point out that stuff like the Rainforest Coaster, Seabase, etc do show some "signs" of the more natural world where meant to be in this park. But overall I can see your point.

Btw I'm pretty sure the lands just flank the sides of Spaceship Earth with "World Discovery being the middle section before jutting out towards Odysessy + Imagination. I do agree they could have represented the changes a little better though

I've always thought the rainforest coaster (among other things about that proposed overhaul) was a terrible idea.

 

[ChrisFL]

- The educational aspect is paper thin - the scenery does not really display what the signs are talking about, and the interactive elements also largely just involve you making water magically rise and splash. The signage tries hard to pass it off as a science exhibit and pull its weight as an old school Epcot edutainment attraction, but it really is a Moana exhibit first and foremost because the main point is that you are controlling water like Moana.

It's big on recycling though....as in it recycles mostly stuff that was already featured in the Journey into Imagination pavilion, but with rockwork surrounding it and a couple more fountains

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

Bingo! I had a friend with me visit who is not a regular but once in a while, and even she said how it looked like something that should be at DAK. That's because Disney didn't know what to do with Epcot, they still don't know what to do with Epcot, they have gotten so off course and abandoned just about everything it was about and designed to be, (no one with a vision, too many cooks in the kitchen). I could go on, but back to Tropical Americas, which I think is going to be beautiful when all is said and done.

Man, that’s so true. They shoudlve saved the Journey of Water for an Oceania land that’s comprised of Polynesian Islands, Australia, New Zealand, etc. There’s a huge 22 acre expansion pad behind Kali River Rapids that could easily fit some more regions of the world.

On that note, I think Oceania, North America, and the Arctic would be good lands to add. Reuse that old Glacier Bay concept for HKDL and make the Arctic entirely indoors, it’d be perfect to escape the heat.

 

[Bocabear]

Perhaps if they invested into the "World Nature" Neighborhood it could all work, but the original Pavilions' modern architecture doesn't necessarily jive with the "World Nature" idea... If there were a gateway or portal off of the hub announcing your entrance into World Nature, and then all of the pathways to The Seas and The Land had a similar densely landscaped and tropical aesthetic.......tied together visually, it could all work harmoniously together, but as it is, there is nothing visually to tie any of those three attractions together as a neighborhood. Imagination area should have it's own gateway and an expanded more whimsical "Campus" area with multiple attractions, flat rides etc... It should be a garden of inventions for the Dreamfinder... not a part of another neighborhood but it's own neighborhood... the new Celebration Office Park Cafeteria Flex building should be part of the overall Imagination neighborhood... I think those changes could make it feel like less of a hodge-podge, and add some smaller rides for the younger set while re-establishing the presence of Imagination into the park.

 

[HMF]

They should have kept it Future World or at least changed it into Discovery World if they really must. The "Neighborhood" concept is stupid.