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Does anyone else think Galaxy’s Edge is a misfire?

Pizza Moon

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Man I’d kill to hear Princess leia’s theme walking around the markets.

Imagine a yoda animatronic someplace, maybe even in a queue like the sorting hat at Potter.

I mean if Potter can have a HAT we can have a puppet.
 

Pizza Moon

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If I was Josh, I'd literally have an audit at every decision like this.

Not IPs like the forum complains about, but silly capacity and design choices.
 

Pizza Moon

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Okay I’ve noticed another problem, if they plopped Cars Land (or even Star Wars), it just needed to keep Streets of America.

It was utterly unnecessary to get rid of it all, what the hell were they thinking?

Great Movie Ride was absurd too. They literally just replaced the park and what we got is a toss-up, but it lost its identity in the process. I think keeping SOA & GMR would let it keep its identity as a Hollywood park better honestly.View attachment 910889

Red is the Door Coaster, Cars Land is in Blue, Toy Story Land in Purple, Teal is the Monstropolis Land, and Star Tours/Backlot Express/Indiana Jones Adventure demoed/reporposed and expanded into the parking lot in yellow.

Make it Naboo: do a pod-racing, and Rise of the Rebels. I wouldn’t time-lock the land at all. Let’s have a Padme and an akin meet and greet in the town area and a Vader one near Rise. Give us that tween/teen+ dinner show, not for toddlers, man. You can still have bounty hunter games. You gotta have Jedi Training Academy and an actual Jedi Temple.

Disney’s leadership just coasts on IP and talented artists within the company, but man do they make poor choices. Monstropolis is something that just makes flawless sense, to me at least, so at least there's that.

Staggs was the head of the parks for the OG Star Wars concept right? and then Chapek/Iger ruined it?
@marni1971 , do you know how close we were to getting this reality?

And if so, do you know who was responsible for the general changes?
 

Pizza Moon

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Close to what? Your image is a bit confusing.
Keeping SoA, Cars Land clone, Toy Story Land, Star Wars replacing Indy, all leading up to the current Monstropolis plan, and GMR never gets replaced. Sorry, looking at it now, it is a bit confusing.

I color-coded it with the marker.

I assume altogether wouldn't have happened exactly as I said but I'm curious about the spirit, but also, correct me if I'm wrong, there was a theoretical outcome if the cards fell right in the blue sky and final approval stages that it could have happened. You could theoretically swap Toy Story land for Pixar Place Door Coaster, I guess, but let's play devil's advocate.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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there was a theoretical outcome if the cards fell right in the blue sky and final approval stages that it could have happened
Careful! I was questioned in the WDWmagic court of law for even thinking there was a plan that would keep the riverboat at MK!

*sarcasm aside* I know we were close to having Star Wars expansion next to star tours (crazy concept) which would have obviously left the back of DHS open for other ideas.

I’m almost willing to bet… and maybe Martin can answer…. The cars road rally in Paris is an extremely budget cut version of a concept that was created for DHS.

Because a cars land with Lights Motors and Catastrophe Canyon would have been pretty darn impressive!
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Keeping SoA, Cars Land clone, Toy Story Land, Star Wars replacing Indy, all leading up to the current Monstropolis plan, and GMR never gets replaced. Sorry, looking at it now, it is a bit confusing.

I color-coded it with the marker.

I assume altogether wouldn't have happened exactly as I said but I'm curious about the spirit, but also, correct me if I'm wrong, there was a theoretical outcome if the cards fell right in the blue sky and final approval stages that it could have happened. You could theoretically swap Toy Story land for Pixar Place Door Coaster, I guess, but let's play devil's advocate.
Nothing I’ve seen says there was ever a cars land clone. Pixar Place as was would have replaced TSL (which wasn’t planned back then) with the Monsters Coaster next to TSM.

SWL was moved to draw people to the back of the park to the (by then redundant) SOA and the expensive to run and relatively low draw LMA. And also to replicate Anaheim with minimal changes.
 
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Pizza Moon

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There was never a cars land clone. Pixar Place as was would have replaced TSL (which wasn’t planned back then) with the Monsters Coaster next to TSM.

SWL was moved to draw people to the back of the park to the (by then redundant) SOA and the expensive to run and relatively low draw LMA.
Ah, so it seems like they've always been shortsighted with HWS, sort of like Universal and USF. I thought there was blue sky for alternatives to Gaslaxy's edge at various phases.

I find the entire multi-acre stretch around Rise to be a significant downgrade from SoA and one of the weakest areas at WDW now, and I don't think that it being a hidden rebel base is an excuse because that doesn't make a good theme park area; it is empty and dead space because it was cut. Why replace SoA with a cut area, and a poorly designed one at that? If you've been to Isle of Berk, you just realize how ridiculous Disney approached this land.

Osbourne Lights were genuinely spectacular during Christmas, but thematically, it was like USF losing its beautiful facades in the park needs additional walking spaces, not fewer, and they could actually have the Osbourne Lights all year round, like this Christmas area, maybe you could make a Nightmare Before Christmas stage show to tack on.

Regardless (so as not to muddy my point) if it remained as the main "street" with some tweaks, the side streets could've been removed and replaced with shops or something. They did not have to box Galaxy's Edge in like they did; there was much more space to push back into, getting rid of most SOA and completely gutting GMR were totally unnecessary and short-sighted, as we now see because the park is very flawed today.

Seems like my plan is better than anything Disney has ever come up with, then. Disney needs vision; they can't just keep focusing on quarterly metrics, or kjust plopping lands without regards for the existing park: DCA has done infinitely better in this regard going from far worse to far better, Sand need to focus on how the parks actually feel. I don't think HWS is better than MGM in 22013 with Star Wars Weekends and Osbourne Lights is like USF to me (not quite as bad), where as Islands of Adventure is like California Adventure. Even now with their new expansions it's pretty obvious where they want to be higher attended.

Let's say forget Toy Story Land and Runaway Railway (and just left the land behind Pixar Place for expansion, and GMR didn't get an update, man they're so dumb.

I would've just plopped Cars Land on part of the backlot Tour, all of LMA, and then put Rise of the Rebels with the dinner show, a markettegrating Star Tours in.ick service, nockturn cvalley eequivalent, and a larger cantina,in and call it a day for phase one and star tours with a plot for a podracing coaster expansion. Then it's like, they can do whatever with the TSL space and Muppets Courtyard.
 

Pizza Moon

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Who else would've loved if the new movies had seen Han and Leia live happily ever after instead of lonely and divorced and had multiple children that went on to be Jedis and had large families? Doesn't mean some couldn't die in the movies, it's Star Wars, but it would've made a killer co-protagonist, and at least re-united Han/Leia/Luke in a wedding scene.

Man. JJ Abrams honestly is worse than Rian Johnson TBH.

Honestly very rough, but you can probably see my vision. Like they won in Episode 6, continue the celebration and then later have things turn south.
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TrainsOfDisney

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Talking about the streets of America that space had so much flex potential.

The lights took up 25% of the year. Could probably have created a nightmare mash up with them and then you can run them another 2 months.

Great - create an event at night from Spring Break through summer that will get people talking! Have some food & wine style booths and have some cool live entertainment - keep comedy warehouse open too.
 

Pizza Moon

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Talking about the streets of America that space had so much flex potential.

The lights took up 25% of the year. Could probably have created a nightmare mash up with them and then you can run them another 2 months.

Great - create an event at night from Spring Break through summer that will get people talking! Have some food & wine style booths and have some cool live entertainment - keep comedy warehouse open too.
EXACTLY.

I genuinely think it was dumber to basically eliminate it than Figment honestly.

Makes zero sense, it literally came down to arbitrary positioning.

They were trying to get an exact Galaxy’s Edge clone which is just so dumb.

There is literally nothing of significance visually or lay-out wise for around a third of the land.

Honestly a windier forest layout would actually feel more natural than just a wide open vista with nothing.

Could’ve put Ewok AAs in some trees.
 

Pizza Moon

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Careful! I was questioned in the WDWmagic court of law for even thinking there was a plan that would keep the riverboat at MK!

*sarcasm aside* I know we were close to having Star Wars expansion next to star tours (crazy concept) which would have obviously left the back of DHS open for other ideas.

I’m almost willing to bet… and maybe Martin can answer…. The cars road rally in Paris is an extremely budget cut version of a concept that was created for DHS.

Because a cars land with Lights Motors and Catastrophe Canyon would have been pretty darn impressive!
People need to understand two realities.

Projects are literally still being worked on as they’re being built. They have no idea how the exact finished product for a dark ride will be, sure they have plans done, but you’re tweaking everything as you’re building it.

The second thing is that Disney has literally endless Blue Sky concepts for every park. Not so detailed necessarily as to go full “Ideal Build-Out” with it, but they’ll have all these pitches and storyboards and even layout ideas.

To actually develop a full-fledged project takes up a lot of staff and time, but there’s also projects that have been abandoned or revived and modified that were past the blue sky phase.

The Door Coaster is textbook for this.

I mean even Tropical Americas existed in some form before.

So like, it wouldn’t surprise me if for Shanghai’s second park and Abu Dhabi, they lift ideas from WestCott for instance.

Honestly Disney’s future is so bright film and theme parks and gaming wise.

We’ve sort of lived in these dark ages under Iger, but Iger still saved the company from being bought out like Warner, and for that he’ll always be viewed as supremely integral to Disney’s legacy.

Like Eisner, I feel he became worse because if you live long enough as the hero, you’ll eventually become the villain.

Unless you’re like a Jobs/Musk/Roy Walt Disney/Jensen Huang, but those are so few and far between.

I think Josh is really going to get the job done. I love the way the Disney fandom has just totally embraced him and giving him a chance.

Tropical Americas is going to be SO good as will Monstropolis, fixing their two “half-day” Orlando parks in a massive way in literally just a couple years.

EPCOT has upcoming unannounced projects as does MK’s Tomorrowland, so it’s like, they’re literally fixing everything.

And the gaming push by Josh, and he seems to not be prudish like Iger.

I imagine he wants to build like all the theme parks in Fortnite or something.

Imagine just going to the parks exploring, I built theme parks in Minecraft, but a fully intentional modern gaming platform for their theme parks would be a game changer.

And then you tie everything in and cross promote better.

We know that this decade is really fixing their pieces, but the 2030s will be unabridged expansion.

I’m happy because when I have kids someday, if the parks really are going to get more after this round like their budgets suggest, the parks will just be awesome. And even if they expand none in Orlando will ever feel totally closed off except for like a Indy Stunt Show/Speedway/Circus Tents replacement.

Like if you just build a single ride it’s not that invasive or like created a totally new area like Fantasy Springs did at Tokyo.

The era of endless construction walls affecting actual park spaces will actually come to an end which is neat. No one really talks about it, but it’s not a good look to close a third or a quarter of a park with walls. Necessary, but only because they needed better bones in the core areas, or utilized underutilized space.
 

nickys

Premium Member
Who else would've loved if the new movies had seen Han and Leia live happily ever after instead of lonely and divorced and had multiple children that went on to be Jedis and had large families? Doesn't mean some couldn't die in the movies, it's Star Wars, but it would've made a killer co-protagonist, and at least re-united Han/Leia/Luke in a wedding scene.

Man. JJ Abrams honestly is worse than Rian Johnson TBH.

Honestly very rough, but you can probably see my vision. Like they won in Episode 6, continue the celebration and then later have things turn south.
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By the time episode 7 was being filmed, Carrie and Harrison were too old to have filmed a wedding scene though.

Unless they got married years after having a son. Either way, they were certainly too old to have filmed a scene as you have depicted.
 

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