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EPCOT Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

HMF

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And they were long past being so. It's impossible to get a read on whether you think the spaces should be contemporary to the time of their build/renovation (as they always have been) or not.
In my opinion both sets are examples of polar opposite extremes MG and EU were basically loud and bombastic as was the style when they were constructed. Creations and Connections are the other extreme in that they are almost boringly minimalist as is the trend right now.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
In my opinion both sets are examples of polar opposite extremes MG and EU were basically loud and bombastic as was the style when they were constructed. Creations and Connections are the other extreme in that they are almost boringly minimalist as is the trend right now.
The current aesthetic is not minimalist, much less an extreme example.
 
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HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
You are certainly free to have opinions about the style of Connections and Creations, but there are also facts to consider. No one could reasonably argue that Electric Umbrella and MouseGear were at all contemporary, much less futuristic. Meanwhile, the current interiors at least pass a contemporary, possibly futuristic.
If only someone could have found some money in their Anaheim office couch cushions to maybe renovate them sometime between 2006-2018…
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Would that have stopped the current iteration from looking as it does?
For a company that doesn't tend to replace things very often? The current iterations likely wouldn't even exist in that alternate universe. Remember - "temporary" for Disney seems to be 8-10 years, so 20 years for a rethemed QSR and retail location doesn't seem out of place. 1994-2014-2034.
 

James Alucobond

Well-Known Member
For a company that doesn't tend to replace things very often? The current iterations likely wouldn't even exist in that alternate universe. Remember - "temporary" for Disney seems to be 8-10 years, so 20 years for a rethemed QSR and retail location doesn't seem out of place. 1994-2014-2034.
You're layering on a ton of hypotheticals. The point is that, even if you don't personally like it, it looks contemporary now, which is appropriate for the park. Bemoaning the fact that the specific timing of a particular refresh didn't happen to coincide with a style you prefer is a bit pointless. Plus, there's honestly a lot more connective tissue between the design of Connections and the original park than there was between Electric Umbrella and the original park.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
there's honestly a lot more connective tissue between the design of Connections and the original park than there was between Electric Umbrella and the original park.
That may be true, but what does it matter if the majority of the original park and any sense of direction that the original park had is gone?
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
You keep just side stepping the root question. What would be a more appropriate or even desired aesthetic?
If I were pressed. I would lean into the 1982 aesthetic as much as possible, but it honestly doesn't matter. The soul of the park is gone so it is as good as decorating a corpse at this point.
 

Centauri Space Station

Well-Known Member
The heart and soul of the park have been gone for over 25 years. Nemo? Uhhh... right... The 1994 SSE was optimistic, but not the dumbed-down version since 2007.
Yes seabase is optimistic, nemo is a vehicle to exploring the seabase as opposed to the blocked ruins of seacabs from 2001-2005. SSE versions were both optimistic and the descent is the only downgrade of the 94 version imo.
 

DreamfinderGuy

Well-Known Member
FWIW, I’m starting to hear mumblings from people I trust that there is once again “a desire” from people higher up to improve EPCOT. I don’t think that means we’ll be getting our wish lists of projects, nor do I think it is related to the upcoming management shakeup, but it is something to note.

I firmly will not believe any new Figment rumors because I have been burned too many times, but it would make sense for them to be working on it now if what others have said lately holds true.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
FWIW, I’m starting to hear mumblings from people I trust that there is once again “a desire” from people higher up to improve EPCOT. I don’t think that means we’ll be getting our wish lists of projects, nor do I think it is related to the upcoming management shakeup, but it is something to note.

I firmly will not believe any new Figment rumors because I have been burned too many times, but it would make sense for them to be working on it now if what others have said lately holds true.
The reason I am convinced it will actually happen is that Figment and Dreamfinder are essentially cartoon characters thus popular IP making it an easier sell than say bringing back Horizons or UOE, never mind over 25 years of guest demand.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
Hey!

That’s my childhood right there along with the music it used to have.
Yeah, I prefer the old version. It wasn’t wonderful by any means and would have benefitted from a smart makeover, but it was symmetrical, had a spectacular fountain, and seemed consistent with the rest of EPCOT. The new version is a mess of clashing and uninteresting ideas that serves mainly as an obstacle to movement through the park. The Imagination side, with its vast empty hall and miserably designed stage with inappropriate music, is arguably the worst structure in any of the Florida Disney parks.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
I miss playfulness and post-modernism across pop culture. This doesn’t just apply to theme park design, though it’s certainly relevant to the wave of detheming and the obsession with bland interior spaces. It also extends to many other cultural spaces like filmmaking, where the sometimes giddy self-aware brilliance of auteurs like the Coens, Raimi, and Tarantino has been replaced with the self-satisfied Kubrickian seriousness of directors like Villanueve. My feelings about the Creations Store and the modern Dune movies are very similar.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
How anyone who puts forth that the current iteration of SSE is “optimistic” is beyond my ability for rational thought. Roughly the same point in the ride, which one sounds optimistic and which one sounds insipid, to be blunt?

Irons version:

"But will these seemingly infinite communications become a flood of electronic babble? Or will we use this power to usher in a new age of understanding and co-operation on this, our Spaceship Earth."

"Since the dawn of recorded time, communication has revolutionized our lives and changed our world. We now have the ability and the responsibility to build new bridges of acceptance and co-operation between us; to create a better world for ourselves and our children as we continue our amazing journey aboard Spaceship Earth."

Current version:

"For the first time in history, all of us can have a say about the kind of world we want to live in. The choices we have made for the past 30,000 years have been inventing the future one day at a time. And now, it’s your turn."

"So here’s to the next 30,000 years on Spaceship Earth. While no one knows for sure what we’ll see or do, I do know it will be quite an adventure—an adventure that we’ll take and make together. See you in the future!"

The latest version is the worst script of the four versions. Insulting, simplistic, and quite frankly, geared more towards the LCD than even those on the middle end of the scale.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I miss playfulness and post-modernism across pop culture. This doesn’t just apply to theme park design, though it’s certainly relevant to the wave of detheming and the obsession with bland interior spaces. It also extends to many other cultural spaces like filmmaking, where the sometimes giddy self-aware brilliance of auteurs like the Coens, Raimi, and Tarantino has been replaced with the self-satisfied Kubrickian seriousness of directors like Villanueve. My feelings about the Creations Store and the modern Dune movies are very similar.

Bland interior spaces? Why, according to some of them theme park geniuses 'round these parts, that's modern, contemporary, and futuristic, just like EPCOT is! Haven't you seen the massive futurism on display with LED lights on Spaceship Earth? SO futuristic!! Ooo!! Ahh!!! You HAFTA post that to your Insta!!!!
 

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