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MAGICal DLP News, Rumours & Thoughts
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nickys
Premium Member
Ta dar!
I’m a sure a dozen walk through videos will be available soon
Walk through videos are all very well, but what about the Ultimate Tribute video?
nickys
Premium Member
Thinking about this, who pays for a huge brand new building like this if it isn’t Disney owned? I assume McD does, at least in part, but why?
Would Disney threaten to kick them out of the Village if they refused? I assume Disney had a part in the design of it, to fit their vision, but do they contribute to the rebuilding cost, or is it really so lucrative for McDs to have a presence that they’d agree to pay for whatever Disney “request”?
Would Disney threaten to kick them out of the Village if they refused? I assume Disney had a part in the design of it, to fit their vision, but do they contribute to the rebuilding cost, or is it really so lucrative for McDs to have a presence that they’d agree to pay for whatever Disney “request”?
The Empress Lilly
Well-Known Member
I don't know the financial construction behind this McDonald's. But lucrative it is indeed. This is the largest McDonald's in France in surface area, and might surpass in revenue the current most lucrative McDonald's in the entire world, the one 45 minutes away on the RER A on the Champs-Élysées.
cjkeating
Well-Known Member
I don't know for definite - however whilst I never went to the old McDonalds (except to have a look around before it closed) my impression was it wasn't really fit for purpose as it couldn't meet the demand so was leaving money on the table. It wouldn't surprise me if McDonald's did the maths and the additional cost of building new versus a full refurbishment of the now old McDonalds (including lost revenue during the closure) means this will break even exceptionally quickly.
My memory of visiting/eating at the now-former McDonald's building in 2018 was - It was impressively unimpressive. The new design looks really nice, and that second floor ... wow! My guess is that your statement is likely 100% spot-on - They will make the money spent on this new building back rather quickly.
And sometimes, dumb Americans like myself look to eat at a McDonald's location when visiting a different country. It tends to be an interesting experience in comparing/contrasting what we know/have in the US vs. what else is out there.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
At Disney Springs, the stand alone buildings are designed and built by the tenant with Walt Disney Imagineering having to approve the design. Disney generally doesn’t contribute financing even though they end up owning the building. It’s not an unusual arrangement in the US where the tenant will get access to a location, typically a larger space, greater control over their space and even sometimes longer term leases.
jgrant.med
Member
Unsure whether this warranted a new thread, but...
Completed a Disneyland Paris Survey this evening regarding themes for a refurbishment of Newport Bay Club Hotel.
2 main themes on offer:
Option 1 - Very similar to the current Newport Bay Theming - but effort put to brighten it up a little. However, the artwork looked very generic & a bit "Hilton/Marriott". The Disney IP involvement was very muted - perhaps too much. Didn't feel particularly 'Disney'.
Option 2 - Definitely my favourite. Felt better thought out and less dated. Detail seemed more on a par with the Disneyland Hotel refurbishment. Better IP involvement.
Newport Bay has never appealed to me compared to other hotels on property (have been lucky enough to stay in Disneyland Hotel, Sequoia, Santa Fe & Cheyenne over the years) but Option 2 would make me want to.
Completed a Disneyland Paris Survey this evening regarding themes for a refurbishment of Newport Bay Club Hotel.
2 main themes on offer:
- Mickey & the Gang - Seaside Promenade
- A 'day at the beach' colour palette in a sort of 1900 beach style - light blues & sandy yellows - with a very nautical look to furniture / carpets / fittings.
- Mickey, Minnie & the classic characters (in appropriate era beachwear) are the IP
- Bar theme - dark woods, 'ships cabin' look - upmarket feel
- 'Ocean Explorers'
- 'Ocean Depths' colour palette - Deeper blues, teals, off white - less heavy on the nautical themed furniture
- Moana, Little Mermaid, Nemo, Lilo & Stitch and Luca (!) the IP's involved & rooms themed to an individual character.
- Bar - "Lilo & Stitches" hideaway - think Hawaiian Tiki Bar - but artwork mockup was bright and airy rather than Trader Sams style.
Option 1 - Very similar to the current Newport Bay Theming - but effort put to brighten it up a little. However, the artwork looked very generic & a bit "Hilton/Marriott". The Disney IP involvement was very muted - perhaps too much. Didn't feel particularly 'Disney'.
Option 2 - Definitely my favourite. Felt better thought out and less dated. Detail seemed more on a par with the Disneyland Hotel refurbishment. Better IP involvement.
Newport Bay has never appealed to me compared to other hotels on property (have been lucky enough to stay in Disneyland Hotel, Sequoia, Santa Fe & Cheyenne over the years) but Option 2 would make me want to.
nickys
Premium Member
We’ll have to agree to disagree.
Option 1 is in keeping with Newport Bay / Yacht & Beach Club theming.
Option 2 sounds like changing it into an IP heavy theme.
They already have two resorts with heavy IP themes in Cheyenne and Santa Fe. Why can’t we have some subtle theming like Sequoia.
soarinwithmolly
Well-Known Member
I also had to fill out this survey!
The two options were really interesting - the first was much more in line with the existing theme (it was very reminiscent of the Boardwalk/Y+B hotels' aesthetic, just with random pops of Mickey and co here and there. I will say that the bar was a SHARP turn toward a more pirate-y vibe, though. Felt very out of left field.
Option 2 was more cohesive, sticking to the theme of "Disney films with water in them" (LOL). There were projections of Crush in the restaurant, a statue of Prince Eric in the lobby, a Moana-themed room, and something Luca-themed, elsewhere. But this did not align with my existing image of Newport Bay, and it did seem a bit thrown together to incorporate modern IP. I'm really not sure which one I liked more; they could both use some work.
The two options were really interesting - the first was much more in line with the existing theme (it was very reminiscent of the Boardwalk/Y+B hotels' aesthetic, just with random pops of Mickey and co here and there. I will say that the bar was a SHARP turn toward a more pirate-y vibe, though. Felt very out of left field.
Option 2 was more cohesive, sticking to the theme of "Disney films with water in them" (LOL). There were projections of Crush in the restaurant, a statue of Prince Eric in the lobby, a Moana-themed room, and something Luca-themed, elsewhere. But this did not align with my existing image of Newport Bay, and it did seem a bit thrown together to incorporate modern IP. I'm really not sure which one I liked more; they could both use some work.
jgrant.med
Member
I think its fair to say that Option 1 would look very familiar to those that know the Newport Bay Club now (and it undoubtably fits the architectural style of the building better too).
Not sure my summary explained the IP stuff very well, so i'll clarify. I felt that overall, there was less IP forced upon you in option 1 than in option 2. However, option 1 was far less subtle when it decided to get the IP involved - giant Mickey picture above the bed, for example. It felt a little less well thought out than option 2 where the artwork demonstrated IP's were being integrated into the wallpaper / fittings of the rooms, for example.
I'd have to agree that the option 2 styling and the external appearance of the building would be less cohesive. But, as you spend most of your time inside it rather than outside it...
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denyuntilcaught
Well-Known Member
Both sound like terrible options.
cjkeating
Well-Known Member
I've just completed this survey and - WOW! I'm normally quiet optimistic about DLP but this concerns me a lot.
First interesting note - if you say you have had an Annual Pass in the last 5 years the survey ends! They don't want to know your opinion. Hilarious. Either way I managed to get into the survey.
It was interesting. The first version with Mickey and the gang - the room looked cheap and tacky yet the hotel in general looked alright. Not that different to what we have now.
The second option I would assume is the preferred version. The room looks very subtle from an IP perspective (less than Mickey and Minnie) and far more premium. Yet the rest of the hotel looks far more IP infused. More like the 'Art of Marvel' yet it is 'The Art of Ocean Related Disney IP'! It's giving me more recent Disney Cruise vibes which I really dislike.
Without a doubt I prefer the version 1. There is no other hotel at DLP that has Mickey and Minnie as its anchor and I think it fits Newport Bay better than any of the other existing DLP hotels. I am currently optimistic about the Sequoia Lodge refurbishment as I think it feels like a sensible evolution of it's current theme but is has me concerned that it may not to be my taste as much as I expect.
First interesting note - if you say you have had an Annual Pass in the last 5 years the survey ends! They don't want to know your opinion. Hilarious. Either way I managed to get into the survey.
It was interesting. The first version with Mickey and the gang - the room looked cheap and tacky yet the hotel in general looked alright. Not that different to what we have now.
The second option I would assume is the preferred version. The room looks very subtle from an IP perspective (less than Mickey and Minnie) and far more premium. Yet the rest of the hotel looks far more IP infused. More like the 'Art of Marvel' yet it is 'The Art of Ocean Related Disney IP'! It's giving me more recent Disney Cruise vibes which I really dislike.
Without a doubt I prefer the version 1. There is no other hotel at DLP that has Mickey and Minnie as its anchor and I think it fits Newport Bay better than any of the other existing DLP hotels. I am currently optimistic about the Sequoia Lodge refurbishment as I think it feels like a sensible evolution of it's current theme but is has me concerned that it may not to be my taste as much as I expect.
jmuboy
Well-Known Member
Robert A M Stern JUST died like a few months ago...
Were they waiting for him to go first before making these suggestions for his hotel?
Were they waiting for him to go first before making these suggestions for his hotel?
The Empress Lilly
Well-Known Member
Neither option sounds particularly dreadful, well the second a bit more than the first, but I regret the loss of the resort's cohesion. All hotels had an Americana theme, as did the Buffalo Bill show and the main park. Everywhere the resort followed a clear program of this being a showcase of American culture. Which not all of us Europeans haughtily consider a cultural Chernobyl.
Though to be fair, I never considered the DLP hotels the brightest diamond in Disney's crown of magical themed environments. Altogether a bit too bland.
Though to be fair, I never considered the DLP hotels the brightest diamond in Disney's crown of magical themed environments. Altogether a bit too bland.
They already are. Most are already appealing because they don’t have IP slapped everywhere.