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DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

KDM31091

KDM31091

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Moth said:
I'm arguing for more balanced waits throughout the park.

It's a lesser experience when a ride such as Na'vi River Journey is demanding a 60+ minute wait but can't walk that walk because that ride doesn't earn that wait. This is a move to balance waits throughout the park and make a better exp and to get people out of the Flight of Passage line and to the underutilized other half of the park.

Having Flight of Passage and Na'vi go down in wait time through this means people can actually do those experiences without the pressure of buying into the LL monster or extensive planning that constrains enjoyment of a day at the park. Tropical America as a whole will probably end up leading to extended park hours, which again: will overall help guest enjoyment because it means they have a more extended timeframe to do what they want to do.

Could they have done just the Encanto and carousel part of TA and left DINOSAUR alone? Absolutely! I would prefer that because I don't care for Indiana Jones and think dinosaurs and prehistoric creatures have a major role in the ethos of Animal Kingdom. But that doesn't change the fact that the majority of the general public didn't care for the ride, and for a park that needs capacity and to spread it's crowds out more, I can't help but feel a major alteration like Jones was in order.

Should that alteration have had dinosaurs? Yeah. But Disney doesn't see dinosaurs as a valuable asset. Hence why we're stuck with Harrison Ford.
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It is definitely ridiculous to wait 60+ minutes for the underwhelming River Journey. It is pretty, and scenic, and the animatronic is great. But...nothing happens. No suspense, no excitement. It could easily just be a walkthrough. Feels like wasted potential.

I do agree Disney should have invested in Dinosaur/Dinoland and improved it up to standard, and if they wanted to add Tropical Americas, fine - add it elsewhere. There's also the angle you mentioned. They could have done Tropical where the carnival area was and just left Dinosaur alone as its own thing.

As far as the majority of the general public not liking Dinosaur, I just don't see how this will change with a retheme. The isolated location is not changing. The ride system (which would be why some don't like the ride) is not changing. I just think after the initial hype it will probably end up about the same as before, popularity wise. Now, will Tropical Americas attract more guests than the underutilized carnival area? I'm sure it will. But Dinoland could have just been improved instead of scrapped.
 
Gusey

Gusey

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KDM31091 said:
As far as the majority of the general public not liking Dinosaur, I just don't see how this will change with a retheme. The isolated location is not changing. The ride system (which would be why some don't like the ride) is not changing. I just think after the initial hype it will probably end up about the same as before, popularity wise. Now, will Tropical Americas attract more guests than the underutilized carnival area? I'm sure it will. But Dinoland could have just been improved instead of scrapped.
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I do wonder if having the new play area closer to Indy is so people will head in that direction more than those who went down the Cretaceous Trail there? Before you would have Boneyard, and Dino-Rama when you enter the land, then Restorauntosaurus and Dinosaur down a trail. Now you'll have the village square area with the fountain designed to get guests to go both ways, left to Encanto and the Carousel, Right to Indiana Jones and the Hacienda
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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KDM31091 said:
It is definitely ridiculous to wait 60+ minutes for the underwhelming River Journey. It is pretty, and scenic, and the animatronic is great. But...nothing happens. No suspense, no excitement. It could easily just be a walkthrough. Feels like wasted potential.
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Rides don't have to have suspense to be a good attraction -- there's nothing suspenseful about Spaceship Earth, for example (or really any of EPCOT's classics). NRJ is a great C ticket and probably the best on property. Should it have 60+ minute waits? No, but no C ticket should. That's an issue with the park's offerings rather than a problem with the ride.
 
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Moth

Moth

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I think you're all right.

Pandora's waits won't magically be solved by retheming DINOSAUR and doing the rest of TA (though I'll argue the latter and the attractions it'll bring will have higher capacity than Triceratops Spin and Primeval Whirl (RIP MY 🐐)), this parks just needs something that actually expands it's footprint out and adds onto what's already there.

Disney wants IP? We want prehistoric animals? Fine, I think a compromise can be reached.
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MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Moth said:
I think you're all right.

Pandora's waits won't magically be solved by retheming DINOSAUR and doing the rest of TA (though I'll argue the latter and the attractions it'll bring will have higher capacity than Triceratops Spin and Primeval Whirl (RIP MY 🐐)), this parks just needs something that actually expands it's footprint out and adds onto what's already there.

Disney wants IP? We want prehistoric animals? Fine, I think a compromise can be reached.
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Well see how Ice Age 6 does in Feb of 2027.

The Disney+ shorts didn't produce much buzz.
 
Moth

Moth

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Shame all their rides suck for JP if you aren't into big coasters
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Sorry, but as someone who just returned to IOA after 15 years, outside of the Discovery Center, I wasn't crazed about the JP area. Especially when you put it next to Berk or SNW or DU? Definitely doesn't feel as alive as it should be. Universal, this is your chance, just bulldoze Kong and make it a jeep ride and then add a bunch of AA dinosaurs across the land.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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Moth said:
Shame all their rides suck for JP if you aren't into big coasters
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Sorry, but as someone who just returned to IOA after 15 years, outside of the Discovery Center, I wasn't crazed about the JP area. Especially when you put it next to Berk or SNW or DU? Definitely doesn't feel as alive as it should be. Universal, this is your chance, just bulldoze Kong and make it a jeep ride and then add a bunch of AA dinosaurs across the land.
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We’ll see how the ride looks when it comes out of refurbishment first. Baby steps.
 
KDM31091

KDM31091

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UNCgolf said:
Rides don't have to have suspense to be a good attraction -- there's nothing suspenseful about Spaceship Earth, for example (or really any of EPCOT's classics). NRJ is a great C ticket and probably the best on property. Should it have 60+ minute waits? No, but no C ticket should. That's an issue with the park's offerings rather than a problem with the ride.
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I love Spaceship Earth and see your point. I just don't think River Journey lives up to the waits it gets. Maybe the new offerings will spread things out better
 
Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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Touchdown said:
But yet every other version of that ride at parks around the world boasts 90+ min waits most of the day. Yet somehow Dino only havd 30 min waits on average. Look it’s clearly the worst version of that ride system. I get that Indy doesn’t fit the park theme but I’m pretty sure the ride is going to end up better liked and more heavily ridden then Dino. I wish Tropical Americas had some animal exhibits, but I don’t know how you can’t, just looking at the rides, think replacing an off the shelf carnival roller coaster and a dark ride that missed its mark with a brand new state of the art dark ride based on a beloved movie with a killer soundtrack and a variation of a widely loved thrilling dark ride beloved and thought to be one of the best attractions at the two best theme parks in the world isn’t going to be a hit.
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Every other version of that ride (all two of them) is more popular because they are in more popular parks. Parks that have more than 5 rides. There’s an obvious trend here. It’s not the IP.
 

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