DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[jah4955]

You're kidding me, right?
As a hamburger it is a garbage hamburger.
Low quality by every measure by which one would gauge a burger.
Not even inexpensive anymore.
You can make a much better on by purchasing chop meat and buns at a supermarket and making it yourself.
Serves a purpose?
Yes, serves a purpose if a person is on the road and can't otherwise find something to eat.
That doesn't make the product good.
And sales are not an indication of quality.

For the record I haven't enjoyed McDonalds since childhood and haven't eaten there in decades.

For example, I live alone, & Christmas Eve 2021 I was invited to nothing, had nothing to eat in the house, and literally nothing was open that didn't require a pre-existing reservation ... except McDonalds.

That Christmas Eve I ate nothing.

...still don't regret it.

 

[Chi84]

For the record I haven't enjoyed McDonalds since childhood and haven't eaten there in decades.

For example, I live alone, & Christmas Eve 2021 I was invited to nothing, had nothing to eat in the house, and literally nothing was open that didn't require a pre-existing reservation ... except McDonalds.

That Christmas Eve I ate nothing.

...still don't regret it.

There’s nothing wrong with McDonald’s. You just have to pair it with a Silver Oak Napa cab.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

Personal opinion? EVERYTHING is replicable. I would just like Disney to make sure that when they are replacing things, they replace things with things with similar height requirements (or lack thereof) and (ideally) similar capacity. As a parent with young kids, having rides with no height requirement is SUCH a valuable asset! Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but before Test Track, there was only one ride in EPCOT with a height requirement (Body Wars) which made it very easy for families to find plenty to do (together) around EPCOT. Since then, most of the "no height requirement" rides/attractions have either closed or been replaced by attractions with a height requirement (Kitchen Cabaret to Sorin, UoE to Guardians, World of Motion to Test Track, Horizons to Mission Space). They've started to course correct this with the additions of Moana and Remy's, but there is still room for more. If they would choose to ever replace Pirates, I would just hope that they would replace it with another "no height requirement"/"people eater" type attraction.

Fair point and grievance, and absolutely true over a longer 30+ year of history back to Kitchen Cabaret and World of Motion as you reference. Also true in terms of the net new attractions being added -- definite skew toward coaster. But if we look at current and more recent replacement projects, they haven't been so offensive on this front?

- In the case of Guardians, they opened Remy beforehand. So while a coaster replaced a non-coaster, they opened a net new non-coaster beforehand to balance. They also added a walkthrough attraction, though I know why one wouldn't count that

- In Tropical Americas, they are replacing a coaster (Primeval Whirl) with what is a very likely a non-coaster dark ride (Encanto). I won't count the loss of the spinner, though I suppose that one is balanced by the new carousel

- Monsters coaster will be net new -- not replacing a non-coaster

- Tron was a net new coaster

- Not sure what we're getting with Villain's but it's all net new; the calculus on Piston Peak vs. RoA is a personal one to many so I won't attempt to generalize a calculus on what's won vs. lost there...

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

You're kidding me, right?
As a hamburger it is a garbage hamburger.
Low quality by every measure by which one would gauge a burger.
Not even inexpensive anymore.
You can make a much better on by purchasing chop meat and buns at a supermarket and making it yourself.
Serves a purpose?
Yes, serves a purpose if a person is on the road and can't otherwise find something to eat.
That doesn't make the product good.
And sales are not an indication of quality.

McDonalds sells 6M burgers a day. You think it's only because people were on the road and had no other option? No. It's ok you don't find value in their burger. That does not mean those that do are below you, stupid, dumb, making garbage life choices, or whatever else you use to claim superiority or explain away the success of an 80-year old company.

Cosmic Rewind is a genuinely innovative experience designed to fit Epcot's framework of technology-focused and educational pavilions. Is it a stretch we're learning about some fictitious technology on a fictitious planet -- yes, absolutely, that is a departure from OG Epcot. But c'mon now -- "garbage the people happily scoff down" -- is so hilariously pretentious.

This is true, but I think it is also (maybe more) reflective of the types of movies that are being made. Titanic won Best Picture. It was a big production made by a major studio to appeal to a large group of people. We still get some of that overlap (Oppenheimer, Argo), but often those movies are now Marvel or are similar franchise films.

Considering the top films at the box office you usually have one or two nominated for Best Picture. That sounds about right to me considering the movies that top those lists.

Those are exceptions, and Argo is debatable (it was 36th in box office rank the year it came out...). Nominations were also expanded to 10 nominees to "force" 1 or 2 box office hits critics weren't naturally favoring in their top 5. That's half the representation popular movies had when it was 5.

I guess there's a legitimate conversation about whether theme parks and movies are art or entertainment. Very different criteria one uses to evaluate either/or

 

[Purduevian]

I was talking about Timeless attractions.... THe Frozen ride is cute but somehow feels incomplete... the others have no representation as an attraction per-se... The DAK Zootopia attraction is not timeless....it is not even good. I would love to see them do something for those other titles though...Incredibles, Nemo, Tangled...a better Moana attraction....But lets face it, under current leadership, Incredibles would be built in the Morocco pavilion and Moana would be built in Tomorrowland....lol

Ahh my bad, I would probably change my definition then as a timeless attraction is one that Disney highlights in promotional material in the park 20+ years after it's debut.

I don't consider any of those timeless. I don't really think they have produced many timeless things in this century.

Just curious, why not? Are they just not old enough? Nemo is 23 years old and is closer in age to the fox and the hound than Zootopia 2

 

[Bocabear]

Ahh my bad, I would probably change my definition then as a timeless attraction is one that Disney highlights in promotional material in the park 20+ years after it's debut.

Just curious, why not? Are they just not old enough? Nemo is 23 years old and is closer in age to the fox and the hound than Zootopia 2

Again I thught we were talking about timeless attractions... I would never consider the Nemo overlay at The Living Seas to be timeless... I enjoyed the movie... Don't really need to go further than that. Zootopia I thought was episodic like a saturday morning cartoon... and having seen it twice I can barely remember the plot or car about any of the characters...but that is a very personal opinion... I really didn't think it was that great...

 

[UNCgolf]

This is true, but I think it is also (maybe more) reflective of the types of movies that are being made. Titanic won Best Picture. It was a big production made by a major studio to appeal to a large group of people. We still get some of that overlap (Oppenheimer, Argo), but often those movies are now Marvel or are similar franchise films.

Considering the top films at the box office you usually have one or two nominated for Best Picture. That sounds about right to me considering the movies that top those lists.

The types of movies winning Best Picture really haven't changed much. People have just stopped going to see those movies in the theater.

Kramer vs. Kramer won Best Picture in 1979. It's a character drama about a divorcing couple; a movie like it released today would be dismissed by some people as an elitist art film and certainly wouldn't be a major hit. In 1979, though, Kramer vs. Kramer was the highest grossing film of the year.

I think at least some of it is due to streaming, higher quality TVs, etc. -- there are people who just don't see the value in paying to see a movie in the theater unless it's something big and flashy like a superhero film. A character drama can be watched at home without really losing much of the experience.

 

[Ayla]

Personal opinion? EVERYTHING is replicable. I would just like Disney to make sure that when they are replacing things, they replace things with things with similar height requirements (or lack thereof) and (ideally) similar capacity. As a parent with young kids, having rides with no height requirement is SUCH a valuable asset! Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but before Test Track, there was only one ride in EPCOT with a height requirement (Body Wars) which made it very easy for families to find plenty to do (together) around EPCOT. Since then, most of the "no height requirement" rides/attractions have either closed or been replaced by attractions with a height requirement (Kitchen Cabaret to Sorin, UoE to Guardians, World of Motion to Test Track, Horizons to Mission Space). They've started to course correct this with the additions of Moana and Remy's, but there is still room for more. If they would choose to ever replace Pirates, I would just hope that they would replace it with another "no height requirement"/"people eater" type attraction.

Replicable? Yes.

Replaceable? No.

 

[dmw]

I wonder what Sulley would order at McDonalds...
I wonder what attractions Roz thinks are timeless...
I wonder what movies Wazowski thinks are best...

I wonder when we will get some more updates on the new land???

 

[MrPromey]

The types of movies winning Best Picture really haven't changed much. People have just stopped going to see those movies in the theater.

Kramer vs. Kramer won Best Picture in 1979. It's a character drama about a divorcing couple; a movie like it released today would be dismissed by some people as an elitist art film and certainly wouldn't be a major hit. In 1979, though, Kramer vs. Kramer was the highest grossing film of the year.

I think at least some of it is due to streaming, higher quality TVs, etc. -- there are people who just don't see the value in paying to see a movie in the theater unless it's something big and flashy like a superhero film. A character drama can be watched at home without really losing much of the experience.

Like by his rationale, it seems as though End Game should have won best picture the year it came out because it was super popular.

While it did gangbusters at the box office (and I'll say I personally liked it), it's not actually a very good movie. It's basically three hours and a minute of third act that could never stand on its own.

Even dismissing the fact that it gets a strike in the academy for being a "super hero movie" the only reason it works is because of the twenty-odd movies leading up to it. When most of the highest grossing and most popular movies require other media to support it, there isn't enough self-contained to make it even eligible IMHO.

Jumping to more recent times, I'd say the same with the Wicked movies. I think they're both great but both are only half a movie. They made the choice to do two movies across two years. The first one ends without a real ending and the second one starts missing the first half of the story so how do you fairly judge either based only on what is in that single movie and say it's deserving against something else that tells a complete unique story over the course of it's single run time?

Same with this year's Avatar.

The most popular box office films in modern times are all sequels that rely heavily on the backstory and simply aren't standalone stories that work very well on their own anymore so it makes sense that most of the movies that are being nominated and winning end up being things that go in and out of the theaters pretty quickly to make room for the next blockbuster sequel because quality is not really the driving force for audiences in theaters anymore - and that's not a dig on audiences or on movies but just a major shift over the last 10-15 years on how people consume entertainment.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Catastrophe Canyon, Great Movie Ride, and Osbourne lights as well.

Is MMRR considered a thrill ride now?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Is MMRR considered a thrill ride now?

No - but my mom can’t easily ride it. It’s a great ride - quite enjoyable. But it is another example that it’s not as accessible as what it replaced.

Before my time on earth we lost mine train to big thunder so it’s nothing new and not always bad.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

No - but my mom can’t easily ride it. It’s a great ride - quite enjoyable. But it is another example that it’s not as accessible as what it replaced.

Before my time on earth we lost mine train to big thunder so it’s nothing new and not always bad.

I can see what you mean then, I think it’s a bit of different tastes over time. I do think Disney could use some more full non thrill a accessible rides but their last one was called boring despite being beautiful and everyone started saying it needed a drop (it didn’t)

It’s a hard situation but I think we should get a few new chill rides some we have a lot of coasters now

 

[Rich Brownn]

That isn't really a fair assessment. MK's is indeed shorter but the backstory and governing logic are completely different. In the DL version you start in New Orleans Square ride through the Bayou, encounter the talking skull and splash down into the grotto sequence after the treasure cave you go through a transition tunnel that takes you back in time to the Caribbean in the 18th Century where the majority of the attraction takes place. After you pass what is now Jack in the Treasure room you go up the waterfall which takes you back to the "Present Day" and you disembark your boat and return to New Orleans Square. The idea in Magic Kingdom is that you are already in the Caribbean and the entrance to the ride is actually the building the Wicked Wench is firing at in the attraction there even used to be firing mist cannons on the roof of the facade to indicate this. The queue was originally designed so that you could even hear the Spanish soldiers warning about the pirates and reporting for duty to open fire on the pirates. Sadly, in 2006 when they shoved Jack in, they decided to blast the "Pirates Overture" music from the queue of the DL version into the WDW queue, and it sadly has remained that way ever since. The boat in the distance in the load area is supposed to be the pirate ship "Wicked Wench" you see later. The Grotto scenes in the Florida version are supposed to exist in the same time period as the town scenes unlike in DL. and the rest is pretty straight forward. Sadly, since WDI is headquartered in California and are mostly familiar with the DL version and incorrectly thought the Florida version was just an abbreviated version of the California version with the same backstory so a lot of these details especially with the exterior cannons and the queue are hard to discern since the Imagineers of the time mis-understood the premise of the Florida incarnation.

The only reason WDW's is so short is simple: People were asking where Pirates was, so Disney scrapped Western River for Pirates. But the land available was too small for a full version so ut was shoe horned it. Thats it. (And a covered queue because they had learned by now). No other fancy reasons.

 

[The Mom]

Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

 

[gorillaball]

Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

We should start a thread on that…

 

[flyerjab]

Man do were need some new Disney news to discuss. I hop on here to see about any new construction progress and the discussion is around Barbenheimer?!

To quote Bocabear “……lol”

 

[EagleScout610]

I hear if you watch Oppenhiemer with 4D glasses, Mike Wazowski is the atomic bomb. It all fits perfectly

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

We can always go back to discussing the tragic loss of MV3D to make room for Monsters from the earlier ~500 pages while we wait for construction news.

Why would Disney do that???!!!!????!!!!!!??????????

 

[ToTBellHop]

We can always go back to discussing the tragic loss of MV3D to make room for Monsters from the earlier ~500 pages while we wait for construction news.

Why would Disney do that???!!!!????!!!!!!??????????

At least we will soon have a new Muppet special with the only singer who is, in fact, the same height as Kermit. Should be great.