DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[Pizza Moon]

I agree, they will likely continue dumping entire lands based on only one movie franchise with fake Hollywood in the front without any explanation or context or overall statement or logic as to how they fit together until the end of time.

I definitely prefer the vibe of Disney MGM Studios, but it’s moving in a better direction than where it has been for a while, especially with Galaxy’s Exge not feeling like the headliner it needed to be.

 

[FigmentFan82]

Man, it’s lucky every Disney park opened with multiple coasters. They certainly would have failed otherwise.

Who is saying they would have failed? The domestic Disney parks have always been popular. A themed coaster shouldn't change any of that.

 

[HMF]

Who is saying they would have failed? The domestic Disney parks have always been popular. A themed coaster shouldn't change any of that.

Nothing will, sadly.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Who is saying they would have failed? The domestic Disney parks have always been popular. A themed coaster shouldn't change any of that.

You’re missing the point. Many argue Disney must focus on what guests say and financial performance, which pretty much means they should focus on coasters. But parks that focus on coasters are nowhere near as financially successful and stable as the Disney parks that have long not focused on coasters. Disney’s Hollywood Studios seriously lacks capacity and would benefit from diversifying its offerings, not adding more of a similar thing because it is already popular.

 

[HMF]

You’re missing the point. Many argue Disney must focus on what guests say and financial performance, which pretty much means they should focus on coasters. But parks that focus on coasters are nowhere near as financially successful and stable as the Disney parks that have long not focused on coasters.

I would use Six Flags as exhibit A.

 

[Pizza Moon]

You’re missing the point. Many argue Disney must focus on what guests say and financial performance, which pretty much means they should focus on coasters. But parks that focus on coasters are nowhere near as financially successful and stable as the Disney parks that have long not focused on coasters. Disney’s Hollywood Studios seriously lacks capacity and would benefit from diversifying its offerings, not adding more of a similar thing because it is already popular.

I mean, it really isn't zero-sum. They should keep adding both.

 

[James Alucobond]

I mean, it really isn't zero-sum. They should keep adding both.

The problem is that many of the recent updates have massively favored coasters, creating a situation where capacity concerns aren't alleviated nearly as much as they should be based on the amount of sunk capital.

 

[UNCgolf]

I mean, it really isn't zero-sum. They should keep adding both.

There's nothing wrong with adding coasters, but they probably need at least 4-5 non-coasters for every coaster they add per park, and they haven't done that.

 

[Pizza Moon]

The problem is that many of the recent updates have massively favored coasters, creating a situation where capacity concerns aren't alleviated nearly as much as they should be based on the amount of sunk capital.

Cosmic Rewind has a large capacity, Rise-level pricey, but still, massive capacity.

It's more about updating existing rides and adding new capacity (ie. TRON/Ratatouille).

I don't see the argument that capacity concerns aren't alleviated as much because rides like Frozen: Ever After and Test Track have much lower capacity, if they're all like Slinky or SDMT, sure, but they can also be like Everest...

There's nothing wrong with adding coasters, but they probably need at least 4-5 non-coasters for every coaster they add per park, and they haven't done that.

I think the obvious next step for HWS is adding a ride like DCA's new Avatar boat ride. No height requirement, boat ride, high capacity, and a headlining dark ride like Pirates of the Caribbean. A small dark ride would be nice, too, if they do that for a new land. I do feel Monstropolis corners something that's been needed, and everyone here is overlooking right now, it's going to be a mega slam dunk, and because the land is mostly a redevelopment of the current park, it will maximally utilize underutilized space. It really will mean that either AC or Indy likely are gone next for large expansion.

The bigger mistake was knocking out GMR for MMRR; it would've been a perfect improvement to just create a new build. The Door Coaster should've been built a decade ago, so it's just fixing that basically; HWS has needed a third coaster badly. Slinky's waits are routinely the most at Disney World, which is absurd.

I think all the parks could use another 4-5 coasters, honestly, outside of MK. It could still use a Hagrid's/Taron type of attraction, and I'm betting that Villains Land will have that.

A Door Coaster is needed, and the park is more comparable to Universal than the other Disney parks. It can easily handle its first truly "themed" one, but HWS will remain underdeveloped still. I can't imagine that with $60B, they'll be done with Monstropolis. It's like, if it opens in 2028, they could easily have another land by 2031...

I think Disney has finally woken up to what they need to do.

 

[James Alucobond]

... it will maximally utilize underutilized space.

It will utilize space not previously part of the park footprint. That does not mean it maximally utilizes that space; in fact, it definitely does not.

 

[Pizza Moon]

It will utilize space not previously part of the park footprint.

I know...

That does not mean it maximally utilizes that space; in fact, it definitely does not.

It definitely uses the space better than what was there., it's not going to be remotely close as a whole.

1:1 for MuppetVision idk, but the rest of the area absolutely and it won't be close.

 

[BrianLo]

I don't see the argument that capacity concerns aren't alleviated as much because

Capacity is not necessarily just about offering another thrill for a subset of guest so they can check off another attraction. Capacity is also about adding high throughput attractions that appeal to the broadest demographic possible.

That sort of only leaves MMRR and, (as much as it is over-admonished) TSMM playing off Fantasmic and the litany of shows. A high throughput longish boat ride is really what Hollywood Studios needs most of all. Not another coaster in a box.

Though it doesn’t hurt the park in the aggregate, which is not what anyone is really arguing. It’s just a very odd choice that seems to have been circumstantially chosen because they were in a hurry and it will still be popular and/or marketable.

 

[James Alucobond]

It definitely uses the space better than what was there., it's not going to be remotely close as a whole.

1:1 for MuppetVision idk, but the rest of the area absolutely and it won't be close.

The Monsters coaster uses in the neighborhood of 5+ new-to-the-park acres for one ride. That's not counting anything already in the former Muppets area. That is not maximizing space, as you chose to put it. It's using space, just not particularly efficiently or optimally.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

A high throughput longish boat ride is really what Hollywood Studios needs most of all.

It's the only WDW park without a boat ride and they keep passing on opportunities to add one

 

[James Alucobond]

It's the only WDW park without a boat ride and they keep passing on opportunities to add one

To be fair, I don't really think it's a good fit for any of the existing or planned lands, including the Hollywood & Sunset corridor.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

To be fair, I don't really think it's a good fit for any of the existing or planned lands, including the Hollywood & Sunset corridor.

Indiana Jones could have had some sort of boat ride

 

[mattpeto]

You’re missing the point. Many argue Disney must focus on what guests say and financial performance, which pretty much means they should focus on coasters. But parks that focus on coasters are nowhere near as financially successful and stable as the Disney parks that have long not focused on coasters. Disney’s Hollywood Studios seriously lacks capacity and would benefit from diversifying its offerings, not adding more of a similar thing because it is already popular.

Not disagreeing but I think it’s been almost “taboo” here that DHS is adding a coaster.

The last three rides they opened at DHS was MMRR, Rise and Smugglers Run. None of those are coasters.

It’s not wrong to add a coaster. The new land, especially when it reopens with the theater show and coaster is going to help capacity.

I really think people expect DHS to be like DCA Pixar Pier and add a bunch of carnival rides.

It’s okay to have a distinction from other parks. It’s an E-Ticket park and a live shows park.

A redesigned Animation Courtyard sounds like it’s geared to young families.

Outside maybe WDS- there are more live stage shows live at DHS than any other park.

Indy, Villains, Mermaid, Beast, Frozen - 5 major shows in one park. And hopefully Monsters can be a worthy replacement for MV3D, although it’s a high bar.

 

[James Alucobond]

It’s okay to have a distinction from other parks. It’s an E-Ticket park and a live shows park.

I don't think it works all that well to focus narrowly on what are essentially extreme opposite poles and neglect the middle. A park needs a collection of powerhouse Cs to function comfortably. For me, Hollywood Studios only works decently because of its proximity to EPCOT, which plugs many of its gaps when splitting the day.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The Monsters coaster uses in the neighborhood of 5+ new-to-the-park acres for one ride. That's not counting anything already in the former Muppets area. That is not maximizing space, as you chose to put it. It's using space, just not particularly efficiently or optimally.

It is, in fact, a really inefficient use of space that actually harms the themed experience, one of the hallmarks of modern Disney World (points to TSL).

 

[James Alucobond]

It is, in fact, a really inefficient use of space that actually harms the themed experience, one of the hallmarks of modern Disney World (points to TSL).

I think it's especially a hallmark of their modern coaster design, which is why it's somewhat problematic to keep adding them without appropriate balance. Yes, some coasters have good capacity, but weigh that capacity against how many rides of other types could be built in the same space.