DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[Casper Gutman]

Not disagreeing but I think it’s been almost “taboo” here that DHS is adding a coaster.

The last three rides they opened at DHS was MMRR, Rise and Smugglers Run. None of those are coasters.

It’s not wrong to add a coaster. The new land, especially when it reopens with the theater show and coaster is going to help capacity.

I really think people expect DHS to be like DCA Pixar Pier and add a bunch of carnival rides.

It’s okay to have a distinction from other parks. It’s an E-Ticket park and a live shows park.

A redesigned Animation Courtyard sounds like it’s geared to young families.

Outside maybe WDS- there are more live stage shows live at DHS than any other park.

Indy, Villains, Mermaid, Beast, Frozen - 5 major shows in one park. And hopefully Monsters can be a worthy replacement for MV3D, although it’s a high bar.

Studios is the E-Ticket park? It has… 4 E-Tickets? Are we claiming Slinky is an “E-Ticket?”

And it’s not particularly relevant, but I have to point out that three of the five shows you mentioned date to the George H W Bush Administration. The OLDER Bush.

 

[Casper Gutman]

By the way, has anyone considered that Disney’s decades long refusal to build the door coaster despite it being such an “obvious” idea and there being so much “fan demand,” is a sign that the people who are experts at theming and ride design realize it’s not actually a very good idea for a ride?

 

[MisterPenguin]

MK has 5 coasters, and soon, 6.

I don't see how "too many coasters" hurts the park, unless, of course, they're awful, or, they're so high thrill, they hurt capacity by limiting who can ride them.

Coasters just need to be 'good' and have an extra feature that makes it more than just a plain coaster.

If a park eschews coasters, then some other ride system becomes prevalent and people complain about SCREENZ or too many trackless rides. People were getting nervous when our fake insider was claiming just about every new ride would be a boat ride.

Here's hoping Monstropolis' coaster is a good one.

 

[Casper Gutman]

MK has 5 coasters, and soon, 6.

I don't see how "too many coasters" hurts the park, unless, of course, they're awful, or, they're so high thrill, they hurt capacity by limiting who can ride them.

Coasters just need to be 'good' and have an extra feature that makes it more than just a plain coaster.

If a park eschews coasters, then some other ride system becomes prevalent and people complain about SCREENZ or too many trackless rides. People were getting nervous when our fake insider was claiming just about every new ride would be a boat ride.

Here's hoping Monstropolis' coaster is a good one.

I really, really doubt there was much trepidation about too many boat rides.

 

[James Alucobond]

Studios is the E-Ticket park? It has… 4 E-Tickets? Are we claiming Slinky is an “E-Ticket?”

The coasters are probably all debatable, but they do induce what I'd consider E-level demand, at the very least. Rise, Runaway Railway, and Tower are obviously the core Es while Slinky, RNRR, and soon (likely) Monsters draw E-level crowds. That's 6 of the 10 rides. Only Midway Mania, Swirling Saucers, Star Tours, and Smugglers Run slot into a lower demand tier.

MK has 5 coasters, and soon, 6.

I don't see how "too many coasters" hurts the park, unless, of course, they're awful, or, they're so high thrill, they hurt capacity by limiting who can ride them.

Even at 6, coasters won't make up a third of the rides at MK like they will at Hollywood Studios.

 

[HMF]

Studios is the E-Ticket park? It has… 4 E-Tickets? Are we claiming Slinky is an “E-Ticket?”

There are better looking coasters at most local amusement parks

 

[UNCgolf]

I think all the parks could use another 4-5 coasters, honestly, outside of MK. It could still use a Hagrid's/Taron type of attraction, and I'm betting that Villains Land will have that.

This might be counterproductive in terms of making the parks better for the average guest, unless there were at least 10-15 other new attractions beyond those coasters (and that might be too small a number).

The problem with adding a ton of coasters is that Disney draws a significant number of guests who either can't ride the more intense coasters or simply don't want to. On the other hand, people that mainly care about coasters don't really consider Disney a destination (they'd rather go to Cedar Point, Six Flags, etc.).

Cosmic Rewind vs. Rise of the Resistance is a good example of this. Both expensive, headlining E ticket attractions, but there was far more demand for Rise than CR based on the VQ data. The Rise VQ would sell out (for lack of a better term) almost instantly essentially every day until they stopped offering it. The Cosmic Rewind VQ was very easy to get; it was usually readily available for anyone who wanted it except on the busiest days.

Obviously it depends on the type of coasters to an extent -- a ride like 7DMT or Slinky Dog Dash is accessible to most guests in a way that Rock N Roller Coaster and even Cosmic Rewind are not -- but coasters often take up a large amount of space, and space isn't unlimited. I also don't think the people wanting more coasters would be happy with a bunch of 7DMT level intensity rides.

I think the Door Coaster is a mistake for DHS, at least as the park stands right now. It's not going to help the park's crowding issues and may actually exacerbate them. I don't think it's a great idea for a ride in general, but it would be fine as an addition if they'd actually built the park out with other attractions first.

 

[Timothy_Q]

DHS needs capacity help, but EPCOT needs a stronger roster urgently

I'd say the worst 5 rides of WDW are all at EPCOT
(to me obviously, this is completely subjective)

 

[UNCgolf]

DHS needs capacity help, but EPCOT needs a stronger roster urgently

I'd say the worst 5 rides of WDW are all at EPCOT
(to me obviously, this is completely subjective)

Nemo, Mission: Space, Imagination, Gran Fiesta Tour, and...? I personally think Frozen Ever After is pretty bad but that doesn't seem to be something most people would list as worst 5 at the resort.

It's sad considering EPCOT (Future World specifically) used to have one of the best attraction lineup of any park, Disney or non-Disney.

 

[Pizza Moon]

Capacity is not necessarily just about offering another thrill for a subset of guest so they can check off another attraction. Capacity is also about adding high throughput attractions that appeal to the broadest demographic possible.

That sort of only leaves MMRR and, (as much as it is over-admonished) TSMM playing off Fantasmic and the litany of shows. A high throughput longish boat ride is really what Hollywood Studios needs most of all. Not another coaster in a box.

Though it doesn’t hurt the park in the aggregate, which is not what anyone is really arguing. It’s just a very odd choice that seems to have been circumstantially chosen because they were in a hurry and it will still be popular and/or marketable.

I think it's because they have more plans down the line, and they likely know they have a hit on their hands.

I mean the Door Coaster is probably the most marketable concept for a ride, maybe ever.

 

[Timothy_Q]

Nemo, Mission: Space, Imagination, Gran Fiesta Tour, and...? I personally think Frozen Ever After is pretty bad but that doesn't seem to be something most people would list as worst 5 at the resort.

It's sad considering EPCOT (Future World specifically) used to have one of the best attraction lineup of any park, Disney or non-Disney.

I personally put Rat in that list too

I find it pretty terrible, as a ride design, as an adaptation of the source material, and at the missed opportunity to not better showcase french culture (the way the movie actually does better)

 

[Pizza Moon]

DHS needs capacity help, but EPCOT needs a stronger roster urgently

I'd say the worst 5 rides of WDW are all at EPCOT
(to me obviously, this is completely subjective)

I agree with this, but I'd still argue EPCOT is the best WDW park overall, and it's frankly not close in terms of its diversified offerings and its incredible theming in World Showcase. I'd imagine MK post-Villains will easily take this distinction.

AK just doesn't have enough rides, period and HWS relies way too heavily on headliners while easily being the worst-designed park of the bunch by a mile. Though I do still love the Hollywood aesthetic.

 

[UNCgolf]

I personally put Rat in that list too

I find it pretty terrible, as a ride design, as an adaptation of the source material, and at the missed opportunity to not better showcase french culture (the way the movie actually does better)

I forgot about Rat. I don't like it either, but I guess it didn't come to mind because it seems relatively well regarded overall.

 

[HMF]

I find it pretty terrible, as a ride design, as an adaptation of the source material, and at the missed opportunity to not better showcase french culture (the way the movie actually does better)

None of the rides in World Showcase actually showcase the culture of their host country anymore. El Rio became Gran Fiesta and Maelstrom became Frozen, and Ratatouille came in with IP already built in. Really, World Showcase is now no less of a cartoon commercial than any other area. The fact that American Adventure is still going is actually amazing to me.

 

[Pizza Moon]

None of the rides in World Showcase actually showcase the culture of their host country anymore. El Rio became Gran Fiesta and Maelstrom became Frozen, and Ratatouille came in with IP already built in. Really, World Showcase is now no less of a cartoon commercial than any other area. The fact that American Adventure is still going is actually amazing to me.

That may be true, but the theming and placemaking of the pavilions themselves are some of the best Disney has ever done...

 

[Gusey]

Cosmic Rewind has a large capacity, Rise-level pricey, but still, massive capacity.

It's more about updating existing rides and adding new capacity (ie. TRON/Ratatouille).

I don't see the argument that capacity concerns aren't alleviated as much because rides like Frozen: Ever After and Test Track have much lower capacity, if they're all like Slinky or SDMT, sure, but they can also be like Everest...

The only thing with Cosmic Rewind is that it replaced an attraction that had no height requirement. For those of us that can't do thrill rides, that's one less attraction than we could do before (Even though Guardians is an improvement on Ellen's). Monsters is at least an extra ride, so not replacing something with a height requirement, but if Disney only built new coasters, that's not adding capacity to those who can't ride/don't like coasters

 

[HMF]

(Even though Guardians is an improvement on Ellen's).

I would certainly disagree with that. Ellen wasn't as great as the original UOE but it was certainly preferable to a roller coaster advertisement where you learn nothing in a park that was supposed to entertain, inform and inspire not act as a damn toy commercial.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Epcot is easily my favorite park to visit. It’s the least manic and I can always find something enjoyable to do. Meanwhile, if DHS is having a bad morning operationally, we will leave because there’s nothing worthwhile to do.

I’m always down to stroll around World Showcase with a snack and if I’m having a bad day at home, that’s where I go mentally to decompress. I certainly don’t transport myself to the Rise entry courtyard to relax my mind. Too many mornings ruined running there only to hear “Rise of the Resistance is closed this morning and we don’t know when it will reopen.”

Gran Fiesta Tour never does me dirty like that.

 

[BrianLo]

Cosmic Rewind vs. Rise of the Resistance is a good example of this. Both expensive, headlining E ticket attractions, but there was far more demand for Rise than CR based on the VQ data. The Rise VQ would sell out (for lack of a better term) almost instantly essentially every day until they stopped offering it. The Cosmic Rewind VQ was very easy to get; it was usually readily available for anyone who wanted it except on the busiest days.

You do have to weigh that Cosmic Rewind is a bit higher capacity, but most importantly runs way more reliably. I think both have proven to be incredibly popular attractions in their own right.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I would certainly disagree with that. Ellen wasn't as great as the original UOE but it was certainly preferable to a roller coaster advertisement where you learn nothing in a park that was supposed to entertain, inform and inspire not act as a damn toy commercial.

UOE tried to spread the oil company propaganda and advertising campaigns that oil comes from dinosaurs. Which it doesn't.

I'm sure Bill Nye balked at repeating that ad slogan and resorted to explaining that dinosaurs were part of Ellen's energy adventure because "they're cool."

Cosmic Rewind drops science facts in the queue regarding the formation of the universe and the galaxy.

That you keep making stuff up to continuously score points against Disney is making you as bad as Sir Word Salad.