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ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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LSLS said:
At the end of the day, does it really matter if you have two broom rides at the resort? WDW has at least like 5 that are trains and it's never really even crossed my mind cause the rides are for the most part different enough.
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I think we would feel differently if Disney had two train rides based upon the same films. I’m also not sure Wizarding Paris is the best conduit. I don’t particularly care to fly a broom over the Champs-Élysées.
 
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TalkToEthan

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LSLS said:
At the end of the day, does it really matter if you have two broom rides at the resort? WDW has at least like 5 that are trains
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A Universal broom redundancy would factor more than Disney trains reused among the parks.

The only real place for the broom is Potter—-one franchise with in 3 dedicated lands. One broom ride is enough and 2 would be monotonous.

‘Trains’ is a much broader vehicle motif to work with……….. from the slow paced, horizontally traveling, playfully chaotic cartoon (Runaway Rail) to serious and ominous fast moving thrills moving up and around a mountain(Everest). As guests we’re not bored with reusing trains because the contexts are so very different.
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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I understand the broader point that they conceptually abandoned a broom early on for Forbidden Journey. Though it is a flying quidditch bench, it's not a broom.

I really don't think a new broom ride as alluded to in the patent would make for a redundant experience at all to Forbidden Journey. I don't equate ET and Forbidden Journey as redundant; this ride seems more like ET with Tron positioning than FJ as I am imaging it.

I'd love a boat ride in Newt's suitcase, but perhaps even more so that is really already the point of the show. Flying over Wizarding Paris in a Tron/FOP posture with progressive sets still sounds impressive and reasonably novel to me.

The very last concept they haven't gone for yet would be a Knight Bus experience in the Studios and a proper Hogwarts dining hall for Islands.
 
Jon81uk

Jon81uk

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BrianLo said:
I'd love a boat ride in Newt's suitcase, but perhaps even more so that is really already the point of the show. Flying over Wizarding Paris in a Tron/FOP posture with progressive sets still sounds impressive and reasonably novel to me.
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Yes a boat ride or similar omnimover into Newt's suitcase would have been great and better than the show. By making it a gentle ride with different creatures it wouldn't overlap with Hagrids magical creatures too much either. Could even keep the Circus show but just make it an actual circus show without the magic creatures or just remove the Newt stuff from that show.

BrianLo said:
The very last concept they haven't gone for yet would be a Knight Bus experience in the Studios and a proper Hogwarts dining hall for Islands.
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Knightbus would probably turn out somewhere between the Fast and Furious bus and Jimmy Fallon but you are racing through London instead of New York. In fact could they repurpose F&F into being part of London and a Knightbus ride?
In a way I'm glad they didn't go down the Hogwarts great hall dining idea because I'm not sure it would be delivered exactly right. Needs to be done as an actual banquet with everyone served at once type thing to make it feel right, just having food served in the room would be a bit off.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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BrianLo said:
I understand the broader point that they conceptually abandoned a broom early on for Forbidden Journey. Though it is a flying quidditch bench, it's not a broom.

I really don't think a new broom ride as alluded to in the patent would make for a redundant experience at all to Forbidden Journey. I don't equate ET and Forbidden Journey as redundant; this ride seems more like ET with Tron positioning than FJ as I am imaging it.

I'd love a boat ride in Newt's suitcase, but perhaps even more so that is really already the point of the show. Flying over Wizarding Paris in a Tron/FOP posture with progressive sets still sounds impressive and reasonably novel to me.

The very last concept they haven't gone for yet would be a Knight Bus experience in the Studios and a proper Hogwarts dining hall for Islands.
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Where does a broom from 1920s Wizarding Paris fly? They can’t really use the Time Turner and Floo Network trick to send us somewhere we actually want to go again or people will REALLY wonder why they set the land in 1920s Paris to begin with.
 
Jon81uk

Jon81uk

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ToTBellHop said:
Where does a broom from 1920s Wizarding Paris fly? They can’t really use the Time Turner and Floo Network trick to send us somewhere we actually want to go again or people will REALLY wonder why they set the land in 1920s Paris to begin with.
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Quidditch World Cup. That’s going to be the sort of environment that won’t look that different between 1920s and 1990s anyway. All the quidditch stuff is just wooden stands and similar anyway as most wizarding stuff is oldey-timey anyway so looks pretty timeless. Even on Forbidden Journey, other than Harry Potter what actually places you into the 1990s?
 
WDWFREAK53

WDWFREAK53

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Jon81uk said:
Yes a boat ride or similar omnimover into Newt's suitcase would have been great and better than the show. By making it a gentle ride with different creatures it wouldn't overlap with Hagrids magical creatures too much either. Could even keep the Circus show but just make it an actual circus show without the magic creatures or just remove the Newt stuff from that show.


Knightbus would probably turn out somewhere between the Fast and Furious bus and Jimmy Fallon but you are racing through London instead of New York. In fact could they repurpose F&F into being part of London and a Knightbus ride?
In a way I'm glad they didn't go down the Hogwarts great hall dining idea because I'm not sure it would be delivered exactly right. Needs to be done as an actual banquet with everyone served at once type thing to make it feel right, just having food served in the room would be a bit off.
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Agreed. The Great Dining Hall would need to be almost set up like a dinner show.
Maybe they could do each meal to a different show and then change the show up for Halloween and Christmas.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Jon81uk said:
Quidditch World Cup. That’s going to be the sort of environment that won’t look that different between 1920s and 1990s anyway. All the quidditch stuff is just wooden stands and similar anyway as most wizarding stuff is oldey-timey anyway so looks pretty timeless. Even on Forbidden Journey, other than Harry Potter what actually places you into the 1990s?
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It’s popular because of the characters. Thats why they took a medieval land and rethemed it to a medieval-looking Wizarding town and castle set in the 1990s and came up with a nonsensical story to transport us from 1920s Paris to 1990s MoM.

Where’s the drama or suspense in a 1920s Quidditch World Cup? They barely show Quidditch in the films because the games are long and mostly boring unless Dementors attack. They don’t even show an actual game in the Quidditch World Cup sequence in Goblet of Fire.

1920s isn’t much better. Can’t have Grindlewald attack because that didn’t happen. Also, no one cares about Grindlewald. That’s why they abandoned Fantastic Beasts.

I’m not sure what they’ll do. It’s clear setting the land in Paris was a mistake which led to a major pivot on the headliner ride, Harry Potter lore and Wizarding rules be damned.
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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ToTBellHop said:
Where does a broom from 1920s Wizarding Paris fly? They can’t really use the Time Turner and Floo Network trick to send us somewhere we actually want to go again or people will REALLY wonder why they set the land in 1920s Paris to begin with.
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It flies to 1920s Wizarding Paris. They seem to have set the quidditch World Cup at this time period. That’s enough to build a ride around.

But then it couldn’t be Harry Potter and the 1920s World Cup, so yes I’m asking for too much.

Edit- I should have read your post. Yes I’m also asking them to not make a trite story and just have the joy of flying over Paris to go to the quidditch match. The hogwarts express of a broom ride.
 
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Jon81uk

Jon81uk

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BrianLo said:
Yes I’m also asking them to not make a trite story and just have the joy of flying over Paris to go to the quidditch match. The hogwarts express of a broom ride.
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In a way this is like Flight of Passage and similar too, its not Jake Sully and his Flight of Passage. It is your chance to undertake the flight on a banshee, you are participating not watching. A broomstick ride that takes you through a Quidditch match out over fields and maybe into Paris around the Eiffel Tour would be fairly spectacular if the feeling of flying is right. With a decent amount of ET style physical sets it would be a different feel of ride too rather than just screens and animatronics. Universal could do with a few more of these sort of experience rides rather than just watching the story rides.
 
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DrStarlander

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Jon81uk said:
Quidditch World Cup. That’s going to be the sort of environment that won’t look that different between 1920s and 1990s anyway. All the quidditch stuff is just wooden stands and similar anyway as most wizarding stuff is oldey-timey anyway so looks pretty timeless. Even on Forbidden Journey, other than Harry Potter what actually places you into the 1990s?
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The stadium was pretty modern looking, right? The art direction of the stadium in the movie seems off to me actually, it doesn't fit the rest of the Wizarding World even for the 1990s.

I'd rather go to a 1920s Quidditch World Cup arena myself than this building....or a smaller, more timeless/old-timey 1990s arena as seen at Hogwarts.
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ToTBellHop said:
Where does a broom from 1920s Wizarding Paris fly? They can’t really use the Time Turner and Floo Network trick to send us somewhere we actually want to go again or people will REALLY wonder why they set the land in 1920s Paris to begin with.
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It seems like the whole Ministry of Magic world could benefit from some story-writing to tie everything together (attractions, wand interactives...), linked by a cross-era meta-mystery. They should pull in some creatives from the field of immersive theater. While most guests would never appreciate it, fans would and it could help the world escape constant criticism like SWGE gets that dampens all perception (since the negativity bleeds out from the fandom to the mainstream).
 

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