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[James Alucobond]

Is there a reason some of you all are being such jerks about people being excited about watching construction progress? Why the absolute miserable energy? Does it bother you that much that people are happy or engaged or excited about something?

No one wants people to be miserable (or, well, most don't). They just want to correct the very misleading suggestion that the pace of work is accelerating.

 

[jah4955]

No one wants people to be miserable (or, well, most don't). They just want to correct the very misleading suggestion that the pace of work is accelerating.

I'm certainly not shilling but considering most/all of us lack the background, we have to conclude Disney's consistently working as fast as they can.

That being said, I'm still confused why it took so long to do a World Celebration that seems universally panned as overwhelmingly underwhelming

 

[plutofan15]

No one wants people to be miserable (or, well, most don't). They just want to correct the very misleading suggestion that the pace of work is accelerating.

And yet, nobody here knows whether the pace of work is ahead of schedule, behind schedule or progressing as scheduled.

 

[HauntedPirate]

No one wants people to be miserable (or, well, most don't). They just want to correct the very misleading suggestion that the pace of work is accelerating.

Example #2 - If similar misleading celebratory posts were to be believed when construction went vertical at Lakeshore Lodge, it would already be open. And that is still on-pace to open in 2027.

 

[James Alucobond]

And yet, nobody here knows whether the pace of work is ahead of schedule, behind schedule or progressing as scheduled.

That’s the point. Steel appearing doesn’t mean anything with regard to the pace yet, without fail, multiple outlets, influencers, and posters report on steel construction as if it does signal a change in pace.

 

[danlb_2000]

That’s the point. Steel appearing doesn’t mean anything with regard to the pace yet, without fail, multiple outlets, influencers, and posters report on steel construction as if it does signal a change in pace.

Steel going up only looks like a change in pace because it's a change that is easy to see. Installing a pipe underground may take the same amount of time as putting up two levels of steel, but the steel is just more visually apparent.

 

[BrianLo]

It’s not enthusiasm that everyone is jumping over. Nor enjoyment for this phase (because it is enjoyable). It’s the misleading part that construction has suddenly decelerated or accelerated, particularly being pumped out by influencers who should know better.

Which cuts both ways. We’ll probably hear from many for the better part of next year that the Magic Kingdom project is moving too slowly.

That said the full project cycle on Tropical Americas has been fast, even if this phase is typical. It was all in the pre-construction phase that the project came along quickly.

 

[HMF]

Which cuts both ways. We’ll probably hear from many for the better part of next year that the Magic Kingdom project is moving too slowly.

I would say it's moving too slowly but not for the reason most people think. It would probably better and less painful to watch them vandalize the ROA/TSI area if they did it faster.

 

[jah4955]

I would say it's moving too slowly but not for the reason most people think. It would probably better and less painful to watch them vandalize the ROA/TSI area if they did it faster.

To be honest that was the only current project site that bothered(s) me. I cheered the closure of Carnyland, was "meh" on closure of Muppets Courtyard & Dinosaur, applauded the Monsters' coaster going on a parking lot...but ROA/TSI.....

 

[denyuntilcaught]

No one wants people to be miserable (or, well, most don't). They just want to correct the very misleading suggestion that the pace of work is accelerating.

I'd argue - why does that even matter? And that definitely doesn't warrant the degree of pushback the enthusiasm has been getting, IMO. If someone here books a reservation to see Tropical Americas based on forum discussion and not a formal announcement from Disney, that's very much on them.

 

[James Alucobond]

I'd argue - why does that even matter? And that definitely doesn't warrant the degree of pushback the enthusiasm has been getting, IMO. If someone here books a reservation to see Tropical Americas based on forum discussion and not a formal announcement from Disney, that's very much on them.

It matters because part of why people come here is for inside insight and/or more serious, in-depth, and accurate information. To me at least, the identification and correction of misinformation is an important part of what differentiates discussion here from elsewhere.

Also, reaction to the "visibility" of construction generates a metric ton of posts both enthusiastic and catastrophizing, so, "Why does it matter if people want to be enthusiastic?" quickly also becomes, "Why does it matter if people flood the thread with negative wallowing about the slow pushing of dirt?" It goes both ways.

Finally, being enthusiastic and accurate are not mutually exclusive. Saying, "I love this phase of construction because you can really start to see things take shape," is both positive and not misleading.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'd argue - why does that even matter? And that definitely doesn't warrant the degree of pushback the enthusiasm has been getting, IMO. If someone here books a reservation to see Tropical Americas based on forum discussion and not a formal announcement from Disney, that's very much on them.

So what else is it okay to be misleading about?

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

No one wants people to be miserable (or, well, most don't). They just want to correct the very misleading suggestion that the pace of work is accelerating.

No they don’t. If that were the case, they would say exactly that instead of talking to people like they’re stupid. That is the issue I have and it is a behavior certain folks like to pretend they’re not exhibiting whenever they get called out for how they conistently choose to treat people here.

I know how these people are because it is hlw they have shown themselves to be. They are not speaking to be helpful.

 

[James Alucobond]

No they don’t. If that were the case, they would say exactly that instead of talking to people like they’re stupid. That is the issue I have and it is a behavior certain folks like to pretend they’re not exhibiting whenever they get called out for how they conistently choose to treat people here.

I know how these people are because it is hlw they have shown themselves to be. They are not speaking to be helpful.

I'm not exactly sure to whom you're referring, but reading back several pages, the vast majority of posters discussing the construction timeline were just as eager to reject the narrative that the project was significantly delayed as they were to push back against the chatter that things were accelerating. If they just wanted people to be miserable, they wouldn't have addressed the former. I think you're misreading intentions or viewing terse statements as more abrasive than intended.

 

[maxairmike]

I didn’t realize this was an official building trades industry communication medium where precise and technical vocabulary and knowledge is expected of everyone. It’s fine to remind people that nothing is being completed faster than scheduled, but “vertical construction” for 99% of people has and will always be majorly visible components rising vertically in view and will be viewed as “moving quickly” just because it’s easier for most people to recognize smaller changes, and there’s nothing wrong with that. The technical specificity just isn’t important for most general discussions, even around here.

 

[danlb_2000]

I didn’t realize this was an official building trades industry communication medium where precise and technical vocabulary and knowledge is expected of everyone. It’s fine to remind people that nothing is being completed faster than scheduled, but “vertical construction” for 99% of people has and will always be majorly visible components rising vertically in view and will be viewed as “moving quickly” just because it’s easier for most people to recognize smaller changes, and there’s nothing wrong with that. The technical specificity just isn’t important for most general discussions, even around here.

It's not as bad as the New York Post reporting that the Tree of Life is being demolished.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I didn’t realize this was an official building trades industry communication medium where precise and technical vocabulary and knowledge is expected of everyone. It’s fine to remind people that nothing is being completed faster than scheduled, but “vertical construction” for 99% of people has and will always be majorly visible components rising vertically in view and will be viewed as “moving quickly” just because it’s easier for most people to recognize smaller changes, and there’s nothing wrong with that. The technical specificity just isn’t important for most general discussions, even around here.

Why is misinformation acceptable when it is something you view as positive? Time and time again a train of speculation starts that an offering is going to open sooner than expected, which just leads to disappointment or questioning as to why they suddenly slowed down. Are you saying it’s equally valid to do the opposite and baselessly claim that an attraction will be delayed due to a lack of noticeable progress?

 

[maxairmike]

Why is misinformation acceptable when it is something you view as positive? Time and time again a train of speculation starts that an offering is going to open sooner than expected, which just leads to disappointment or questioning as to why they suddenly slowed down. Are you saying it’s equally valid to do the opposite and baselessly claim that an attraction will be delayed due to a lack of noticeable progress?

Did you just ignore where I said it’s fine to remind people it’s not opening sooner, but it’s also fine to let people be excited that there’s finally consistent visual progress that they can understand and follow. By all means push back if people are actually saying it’s ahead of schedule or looks on pace to open early, but you can quietly roll your eyes and let people be excited if they’re not saying anything that isn’t that. I didn’t see anyone claiming it was opening early, or that it’s ahead of schedule. This stage will always be the part where things appear to “move quickly” to the vast majority of people and there’s nothing wrong with letting that observation be made. What I’ve been reading is a lot more like walking around Epcot and smugly, constantly correcting people that say “the giant golf ball” than helpful reminders.

 

[James Alucobond]

Did you just ignore where I said it’s fine to remind people it’s not opening sooner, but it’s also fine to let people be excited that there’s finally consistent visual progress that they can understand and follow.

I still don’t understand why excitement is contingent on allowing for inaccuracy. There’s plenty to be excited about without it.

What I’ve been reading is a lot more like walking around Epcot and smugly, constantly correcting people that say “the giant golf ball” than helpful reminders.

This is a topic about construction progress, so I personally expect accurate information about the pace of the process. It’s not the same as playfully talking about the shape of something, though if there were a topic here seriously asking about the construction of Spaceship Earth, I’d expect a real answer and any sort of joke to be obviously framed as such.

 

[HMF]

Why is misinformation acceptable when it is something you view as positive? Time and time again a train of speculation starts that an offering is going to open sooner than expected, which just leads to disappointment or questioning as to why they suddenly slowed down. Are you saying it’s equally valid to do the opposite and baselessly claim that an attraction will be delayed due to a lack of noticeable progress?

We are living in the age where objective truth no longer exists and opinions are everything.