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MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

Incomudro

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Being they haven't demo'd the banks along the boardwalk and way to Haunted Mansion, I have to wonder and hope that area will be refilled with water for the finished project as illustrated in the cartoonish concept art.
Perhaps and likely not as wide as the river was, but still occupying that path.
Keep hope alive.
 

lazyboy97o

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Being they haven't demo'd the banks along the boardwalk and way to Haunted Mansion, I have to wonder and hope that area will be refilled with water for the finished project as illustrated in the cartoonish concept art.
Perhaps and likely not as wide as the river was, but still occupying that path.
Keep hope alive.
Per the water management drawings, the existing river base is largely to remain in place and be covered with new fill.
 

EPCOTCenterLover

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You know I've wondered if there's an equivalent to the writing theory that "there are only seven basic stories" but for settings. By that I mean perhaps there are a limited number of archetypes of place-types as related to "the character," which in a theme park is the guest. Something like:

1. A place of wonder (magic world, nature...enchanted garden, National Park)
2. A place of peril (a risky place to be aware, alert...pirate port of call, dark alley)
3. A place of comfort (an embracing, homey, nostalgic and safe place...cozy village, small town, farm)
4. A place of celebration (not necessarily relaxing and not threatening but festive, celebratory...New Orleans, Las Vegas, Key West, joyful and stimulating).
Etc., perhaps a few more.

SWGE may have gone for a rugged sort of vibe but it didn't go far enough to achieve a place of peril. The First Order stuff is not present and over-the-top enough to feel threatening, there's not enough moral decay, seediness, selfishness of the citizenry, or displays of societal mercilessness and desperation to convey a place of peril. It's not a pirate town. It's not Tortuga in space.

And the other way they could have gone is more a place of celebration, a haven for space pirates to gamble and spend galactic credits with abandon. This kind of place would have more illuminated signs, more advertising, more capitalism, so to speak, with buskers and weird street musicians, "nightclubs" and hectic commercial energy.

Either a Tortuga in space, or a New Orleans in space, would have provided guests a better, more relatable analog and an understanding of their relationship/role in the place. Right now it's unclear -- not perilous, not celebratory, definitely not comfortable. And without creatures of all sizes and droids and weird things (a sarlacc pit in the center of town, a Rancor behind a huge gate, a mysterious Jedi training temple?), not wondrous.
I hope when it comes to Villains Land, Imagineering has learned from the mistakes and successes of other single IP lands. They've got one chance to do it right regarding overall design. And once chance to earn a great reputation.
 

Bocabear

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My hopes and expectations of Villains Land are the lowest of anything being constructed at WDW.
I barely understand the concept, and don't know if Disney does either.
I was going to say the same thing....they don't even seem to have a clear picture of what it is and what they are building.... You would think they would start talking about it if they did....but I think they are 5 years out on Auto Parts Mountain, and they have a couple years to figure out a way to disappoint and underwhelm everyone....lol
 

lazyboy97o

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I was going to say the same thing....they don't even seem to have a clear picture of what it is and what they are building.... You would think they would start talking about it if they did....but I think they are 5 years out on Auto Parts Mountain, and they have a couple years to figure out a way to disappoint and underwhelm everyone....lol
That’s not how it works. They don’t talk specifics right away for projects further out.
 

Incomudro

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I was going to say the same thing....they don't even seem to have a clear picture of what it is and what they are building.... You would think they would start talking about it if they did....but I think they are 5 years out on Auto Parts Mountain, and they have a couple years to figure out a way to disappoint and underwhelm everyone....lol
Yes, I don't get it.
Is it going to be an land where specific areas are themed to specific villains, and those villains will be there as character actors?
Is it going to be a general "spooky" looking land where no area is themed to resemble where those characters come from?
Is there a dark ride that will take us through scenes of various villains?
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Is it going to be a general "spooky" looking land where no area is themed to resemble where those characters come from?
I think piston peak will be like “new fantasyland” and Villians land will be like galaxies edge.

Both are fine… but neither are particularly immersive or brilliant or fun. And neither are worth the price tag, in my opinion.

Just my guess. They could wow us is they want to.
 

James Alucobond

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Yes, I don't get it.
Is it going to be an land where specific areas are themed to specific villains, and those villains will be there as character actors?
Is it going to be a general "spooky" looking land where no area is themed to resemble where those characters come from?
Is there a dark ride that will take us through scenes of various villains?
I doubt it's just a collection of lair facsimiles for each of the villains. They have at least hinted that it will be a visually unified area, using art nouveau as an inspiration for what they're calling "conjured architecture". So, in the same way that old Fantasyland is a medieval tourney anchored by Cinderella's castle, I'd imagine Villains will be an art nouveau village anchored by Maleficent's castle.
 

Incomudro

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I doubt it's just a collection of lair facsimiles for each of the villains. They have at least hinted that it will be a visually unified area, using art nouveau as an inspiration for what they're calling "conjured architecture". So, in the same way that old Fantasyland is a medieval tourney anchored by Cinderella's castle, I'd imagine Villains will be an art nouveau village anchored by Maleficent's castle.
Thank you.
So essentially my second option guess as to what they will create.
This is part of the reason I'm really reserved about my interest in this.
Universal's monsters, Frankenstein, Werewolf, and Dracula work well in a similarly themed area.
Not so sure how that works for me with Disney's villains.
I'm also concerned as I've expressed before that present day Disney is afraid of scaring people with these characters anymore and want to give us the backstory about how and why these villains are merely victims of circumstances.
We'll see how it turns out.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
I was going to say the same thing....they don't even seem to have a clear picture of what it is and what they are building.... You would think they would start talking about it if they did....but I think they are 5 years out on Auto Parts Mountain, and they have a couple years to figure out a way to disappoint and underwhelm everyone....lol

Refer to how loosely finalized Star Wars was in 2015 for a 2019 opening. I’m not sure the locations were fully settled by the time of its announcement (Towntown and Echo lake were the original sites explored). Or if they had settled it was less than a few quarters beforehand. Construction did not start until Spring 2016.


Nothing is out of the ordinary or “a red flag” about this point in their project cycle for Magic Kingdom’s projects. Next summer will bring much more final project accurate information if these projects are on a 2028/29 timeframe. What we mostly lack is a real update since 2024 on Villains, I suspect that was done purposefully as they next time they show it, they want it to be more finalized.
 

JD80

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I was going to say the same thing....they don't even seem to have a clear picture of what it is and what they are building.... You would think they would start talking about it if they did....but I think they are 5 years out on Auto Parts Mountain, and they have a couple years to figure out a way to disappoint and underwhelm everyone....lol
How would you know one way or another; clear or unclear?
 

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