Visions Fantastic: An Imagineering Competition (Game Thread)

PerGron

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Congrats on completing the speed round teams! I will be going through the last three speed rounds and reviewing them as fast as possible, but I must admit a very very dumb mistake...

Today while opening a can of pumpkin to feed to my foxes, I sliced the base of my thumb on the lid of the can (our can opener sucks and so I had to use a knife like an old cowboy) and I sliced right into some tendons (not through thank God) like the idiot I am. I am now stitched up but cannot use my left hand and so I am now typing like a 90 year old one finger on one hand at a time, so please forgive my tardiness. I am alright, mostly just embarrassed but my thumb will be usable again at some point, just not nearly as bendable as it once was. Anyway, enough about that, here's your reviews!

PerGron's Reviews

Team Fantasy- Wings of Wonder

So this round was a rough one for Team Fantasy, we saw essentially everyone except for three players sit this one out and that hit the teamwork aspect really hard. That's disappointing because you had a really passionate leader here and while I completely understand that real life comes first, it's difficult to empathize when we have players dropping the ball day of release. If you have things that come up I fully understand, but in fairness to your team, try to be more timely about when you know something won't get done.

That said, I really appreciate the bold swings this team took. Going to Six Flags Discovery Kingdom, a park that is notably not accredited by the AZA the way other parks like Disney's Animal Kingdom, all three SeaWorld Parks as well as Busch Gardens Tampa. The AZA is not the end all be all of good zoos, but it does give a lot more freedom of what species can be held (no non-AZA has things like gorillas, okapi, etc.). This didn't affect you guys though because you managed some really solid additions within the confines of a realistic park.

The partnership with Safari West is a smart one. I noted that even Disney partners with Natural Encounters Inc. for their bird presentations so it's very realistic to have a park hire out other facilities to manage certain programs, especially if those programs are better served by said other company. I'm not overly familiar with Safari West beyond name recognition and some cursory research but it seems like a nice facility with a huge collection of species so their partnership works well (I also do have to stay in their safari huts now...)

As someone who wants to run my own zoo one day, birds and aviaries are one of those things I've designed countless times and it's a great way to ethically pack a lot of species into one reasonably sized footprint. There's a reason Animal Kingdom, Discovery Cove, San Diego Zoo, etc. have hundreds of species, a good chunk of them are passerines that all live together and so a really nice aviary fits incredibly well! I also love the educational attachment of including dinosaurs in a bird section. It's a great bit of education that kids can love, adults can recapture their childhood wonder, and republicans can complain to the nearest employee about.

Including some of the larger birds in separate aviaries also works really well to get some of those bigger birds in and I can appreciate your work of rescuing these birds which is how a lot of places do it. Using them as the ambassadors for the bird show is a great way to not have to build behind the scenes areas just for ambassador animals and lets guests see all of the animals even if they're not in a show which is great. Y'all KNOW I love a bird show and so I'll never complain at one. (The picture of the keeper with the flying fox on a leash is crazy to me because I've worked with bats before and never had one chill enough to be leash trained, that's super cool and I'm very curious where that pic is from. Also, she's using a dog whistle for training but I 100% thought she had a joint in her mouth...)

I like the commitment to expanding the alligators and flamingos as well, these are two animals that tend to get the shaft in terms of space because they just need a bit of land and water, but I think more facilities need to provide more for these species so I appreciate that. They're also a great way to tie the theme all together.

Overall, a great project helmed by mostly one creator unfortunately. I do appreciate the effort put in here though and as a giant bird nerd myself, I did absolutely love just about all of this without any major flaws.



Team Wish- J. Audubon Woodlore's Animal Exploration Guide to Grizzly Peak

Y'all could've picked a longer name you know...

Joking aside, I really loved your idea you threw out of a pollinator themed set of exhibits at a garden park and while I absolutely would've fell head over heels for that, you guys did end up choosing my absolute favorite style of exhibit design: Zoogeography.

Zoogeography is very self explanatory, it's where zoos design sections with a piece of geography as their center and the species included represent that area, be it a continent, country, state, specific national park, etc. California is filled to the brim with unique species and California Adventure, while not remotely my first pick, actually fit pretty well here and your animal selection was reigned in beautifully. For a California themed animal trail I think it'd be really easy to throw in California condor, grizzly bears (extinct in the state but once native), and sea lions, but you just kept it very realistic and I can appreciate that a lot. So is partnering with the Santa Ana Zoo. Again, it'd be really easy to say "let's partner with San Diego Zoo" but Santa Ana is smaller, less familiar, and probably would benefit a lot from a partnership with Disney where San Diego, LA Zoo, etc. definitely don't need one.

The Conservation Center being themed to a rustic lodge visitor's center type thing is beautiful because a lot of these state-focused animal facilities have that exact thing. I worked for a short time at a state run facility whose native reptile collection was in a log cabin themed discovery center, so just *chef's kiss* in that. Your species you selected are great with San Francisco garter snakes being one of my favorite snakes out there. The rest are pretty iconic California with California newt, western rattlesnake, etc. all filling a pretty great niche and like Team Fantasy's bird aviary is a great way to get a lot of species in a small footprint.

Speaking of aviary, a California native aviary is a great idea and I love the species list you selected. The zoo designer in me admires your restraint in just selecting seven species where I'd probably say no fewer than twelve, but I think for your purposes, fewer is better. I will point out that jays are very territorial and including two species in one aviary is probably going to cause some trouble, but I won't fault you guys for not knowing that. Including the state bird is always a plus and also quails cover the ground really well which adds some great kinetic energy (not something you'd expect but birds on the ground and in the air as well as fish that cover all levels of the water column are how you make multi-species exhibit feel so lived in.)

As for the Redwood Creek Trail, the selection of species here is brilliant. Again, even I would've been searching for every millimeter of space to include one of the big guys like elk or mountain goats or something, but keeping it small and reasonable is a great way to fill the space economically and realistically. The Catalina Island fox is one of those conservation success stories that you may not even be that familiar with but always blows me away. When bald eagles were pushed off the island due to DDT poisoning, golden eagles filled their niche but being bigger and stronger, they preyed on the foxes rather than the fish and rabbits the bald eagles were consuming which led to the fox population drastically dropping. With the banning of DDT and habitat restoration, bald eagles returned and pushed out the golden eagles which allowed full fox recovery. Stuff like that not being well known is a great educational tool and is a good way to fit in local conservation without adding in a grizzly or a condor that needs more space.

The rest of your animal list is super out of the box and interesting but I do like it a lot. Skunks are one of the cutest animals alive though I can't say they make great exhibit animals due to their nocturnal lifestyle, but I have worked with plenty of exhibit skunks and you can do it. Kangaroo rat and ground squirrel are great rodent features and I love a bat so the inclusion here is great. I don't know if y'all know it either, but Mexican free-tailed bats represent California beautifully as they're the famous Carlsbad Caverns bats that darken the skies each night so beautifully.

I like the little touch up of the Grizzly River Run and I loved the animal placcards. Really, this is kind of a flawless project. Both of them are honestly and I had a really really tough time choosing.

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Results

Team Fantasy- Wings of Wonder

You guys were genuinely really close to taking this one because I do think you had the more realistic proposal, but what really knocked you down to second place was the teamwork here. A huge huge huge round of applause to Tiki for basically doing this whole thing (with some help from Ace and Lizzy of course), but I just had a bad vibe from not seeing more people working together here where the other team worked together flawlessly.

MVP- @TheOriginalTiki- There's literally no other option here. You carried this one on your back and earned MVP, so great work.

Team Wish- Woodlore [Name Name Name]

This project is an effort in restraint and while it's less realistic, partially based on the species like island foxes and kangaroo rats not being super common in zoos, they are accessible especially as rescues in their home state so it's far from impossible. I Loved the theming here and the ties to California, plus the teamwork was stellar. All around a flawless project.

MVP- @Architectural Guinea Pig- I waffled between a few people, but where the presentation shined so much here, I had to give it to AGP.
 

TheOriginalTiki

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(The picture of the keeper with the flying fox on a leash is crazy to me because I've worked with bats before and never had one chill enough to be leash trained, that's super cool and I'm very curious where that pic is from. Also, she's using a dog whistle for training but I 100% thought she had a joint in her mouth...)
I pulled that picture from the park's wild animal showcase show. It's the closest thing I could find to a picture of the park's old bird show which is lost media, apparently :p It's basically a variety show of different species. I haven't seen it in a while because my trips to the park have mostly been quick stop offs to hit a couple coasters with my season pass, but the last time I saw the show the flying fox was definitely still in it.
 

PerGron

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PerGron's Reviews

Still cranking through, let's do round five of the speed round!

Team Fantasy- The New Mickey Mouse Revue

I'm gonna be entirely honest, when you guys settled on redoing the Mickey Mouse Revue, I was pretty disappointed just because there were so many options out there and you we were redoing something that already existed, but once I got through the whole project my entire demeanor towards it changed. You guys took some of the best elements of multiple different shows and turned them into one grand showcase that would easily be one of the highlights of a day at Hollywood Studios.

To start off, I love the inspiration you clearly took from the show buildings and sets from Muppet Vision and Mickey’s PhilharMagic with setting it in this huge opera house. It’s a really solid setup and using two floors kind of akin to The American Adventure also gives this a grand sense of scale that I think would sell the whole ordeal.

You guys also captured the vibes of a show like this really well with the different songs and segments you chose. I like how it’s kind of a history of Disney music without being just a clipshow of different moments. When You Wish Upon a Star is a gimme, but going into the Skeleton Dance and some of the other Silly Symphonies is a fun way to factor in that golden age Disney history. I do feel like it may be a bit obvious but lacking a Fantasia bit was a noticeable absence.


Act two starts off really strong with a princess medley and the Hakuna Matata with the “Wild” characters and while I appreciate the additions of A Whole New World, For the First Time in Forever and We Don’t Talk About Bruno, I almost would’ve rather had these be medleys as well to be able to fit more songs and characters in, but I do enjoy the final song including all of them.

I think my biggest issue with your proposal is I could’ve used a list of characters that show up be it in the orchestra or in the individual songs, but that’s not really here nor there. Big props on the extra stuff too, it adds a lot to have a museum (I LOVE an educational walkthrough) and a meet and greet. Overall, just a fantastic project.

Team Wish- Tropical Carnival

So you guys went the opposite route here and did something wholly original which I certainly do appreciate. A new show for Tropical Americas not based around an IP is a great idea and doing it in the vein of a Tiki Room or Country Bears is also phenomenal.

@Brer Panther really nailed the characters here with a really eclectic group of Latin American wildlife from icons like jaguars and anacondas to the weirder crew like coatis and tapirs and all of that is cute and fun and feels very America Sings in its own special way without leaning on that show necessarily. You also really captured a fun vibe and energy by assigning different musical stylings to each of the animals/groups which filled out the show nicely.

The song list left a little to be desired for me personally, very Rio heavy and while I can appreciate that it is technically a Disney movie, the Blue Sky movies just never felt like they fit in the parks, though that’s just personal bias and I won’t let it affect my judgement too much unless it gets into nitpicks. The Encanto stuff works and I like the inclusions of Singin in the Rain(Forest), and Welcome to the Jungle as a Bossanova cover is a genius idea. I also absolutely love the stage with the character placements, that’s amazing.

I think my biggest criticism here is that the show itself is pretty lacking in detail. You guys killed it with the characters and I appreciate the tracklist, but I would have liked more of the gags and stuff that goes on throughout the show. I know you guys mentioned in the brainstorming tying in ideas like deforestation and conservation and I would’ve liked to have seen more about that. Overall though, still a great show with some amazing artwork and character work.
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Results

Team Wish- Tropical Carnival

I thought about giving you guys the win because of the two concepts I do like the originality of yours better than another version of a closed attraction, but what made me decide against that simply was the lack of detail on what happens during the show. The characters were great and the song list was nice, but I just didn’t get much about the show which I wish I got.

MVP- @Brer Panther- Brer took this one by the horns and led us to a great product. The characters were awesome and the ideas were strong, so easy choice to give MVP to Brer.

Team Fantasy- New Mickey Mouse Revue

You guys took a concept I wasn’t overly thrilled by and put together a really strong final product. It was great to see so much effort and love put into this attraction between the highly detailed show, the meet and greet, and the museum. While a jukebox musical of Disney songs has been done a billion times, you guys did it really well and earned this victory.

MVP- @Lord Fozzinator- This was a tough one because I think a few of yall could’ve earned this spot, but the amount Fozz did here and how well it was executed gave them the win
 

PerGron

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PerGron’s Reviews

Damn do you guys know me or what? TWO video game projects based on how much you know I love gaming, I’m so happy…

Jokes aside, these two horror nights houses are both incredibly strong and I’m excited to get into them. I will say, the fact BOTH teams brought up a Sinners house and neither team did it crushed my soul and I may have to do one myself just to rectify that, but there’s still two amazing houses here, so let’s do it!

(I pulled an @TheOriginalTiki and refreshed the page and lost almost all of this, sorry if the rewrites are short.)

Team Fantasy- BioShock
I’m not all that familiar with BioShock beyond a name and the image of what I now understand is a “big daddy.” While I think it’s fine to go into a project you aren’t familiar with, I did definitely struggle here with how familiar you guys seemed with the property versus my lack of knowledge. I had to reread this house a few times to have any idea what this pretty dense story.

It’s pretty incredible what you’ve achieved here though, with some huge setpieces and multiple stages to go through. These creatures and moments seem truly scary and ups the fear factor from FNAF based on what I’ve seen.

Really where I struggle here is just how in depth this world is and how little I understood. I think you probably could’ve simplified it, but still, just amazing work that I’d love to see done!

Team Wish- Metroid
Metroid is a property I have slightly more of a knowledge of just thanks to Ridley and Samus being in Smash Bros though I know nothing about either of them beyond their designs and basic moves. That said, I think you guys were really strong with making things a bit more digestible for a noob like me and maybe that’s because not everyone was as familiar with the property the way the BioShock team was, but either way, it’s easy enough for me to get.

This is another incredibly strong house that uses a lot of background lore and iconic locations to fill out a really really detailed house and it’s dripping with passion for this franchise that even as someone whose never played I can find enjoyment in here. I can’t say I fully understand everything, but you guys do a really good job putting images and concepts together that it’s less of a challenge to fully get into.

You guys also kill it with the scares, using puppets and animatronics to fill the area is so fun and while I think it’s harder to be truly “scary” it can be incredibly fun to be in awe of some of these huge puppets and creatures showing up. The big Ridley puppet especially sounds awesome as he’s one of the few things I am familiar with that lets me do the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing meme. The split path and sheer size of this house is astounding and I think you guys just really nailed it overall.
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Results

Team Fantasy- Bioshock

You guys had an incredibly strong house with some amazing scares and puppetry and settings, I just had a hard time understanding it compared to Team Wish’s which gave them a really narrow edge. Still a very strong project that you should all be incredibly proud of however!

MVP- @Lizzy May Bee- A lot of players worked hard on this one, but reading through everything, I found Lizzy’s contributions to be consistent and strong, so a good victory for her!

Team Wish- Metroid

The sheer passion and willingness to go huge and crazy with it made Metroid really stand out to me. Both houses had huge creatures and puppets and scares, but the branching paths and scale of it all edged Metroid to victory!

MVP- @Tegan pilots a chicken- Surprising everyone, Tegan is VIP on a Metroid project. Seriously though, Tegan’s leadership here and willingness to try different things in a format she’s not all that familiar with was great and this was an easy pick for me!

 

PerGron

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With that, we finish off the speed round with a 3-3 tie! Phenomenal work to both teams for this. However, I did promise this was a double elimination and we must do that. However, rather than pulling one player from each team the way I fully planned on doing it, I think I’m going merit based and two players stood out to me as elimination nominees and both unfortunately came from the same team. Team Fantasy, this is not a commentary on your work at all, you just had two pretty inactive players where all the players on Wish were active and I’d feel terrible eliminating one of them to keep someone who just may not play going forward. For that reason, our 14th and 13th place players both come from Team Fantasy…

@MickeyMousketeer

Unfortunately, this player was not active at all throughout the speed round and thus keeping them around feels unfair to the players who were active. Thank you for playing and we hope you’re doing well!

@Earlie the Pearlie

Earlie was playing in the first half but dropped off in the second half. I did have a player from Team Wish filling this spot, but they became very active in the latter half where Earlie was not present. I apologize for this decision, but in fairness recency trumps falling off. Thank you Earlie for playing!
 

PerGron

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Lord Fozzinator

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When your the only person that got switched from your team.
 

PerGron

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Challenge Eleven: The Epcot Project

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It's unfortunate that Walt Disney's original vision for an Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow never was fully realized. A walkable, environmentally friendly, sustainable, free public transport, highest technology and innovation city is every person living in the six lane highway with a McDonald's on both sides dream. Of course, you guys aren't city planners and while I debated making you design Walt's original dream, I have changed course.

See, Walt Disney World already has Celebration as their livable town which is far from what EPCOT was meant to be, but there's still plenty of land to be used by guests visiting Walt Disney world that want something a little bit different than the hustle and bustle of a theme park and maybe a bit more relaxed and less commercial than a giant shopping district. That's why I offer you this challenge.

Prompt: Design a new "third space" inspired by Walt Disney's original vision for EPCOT.

This should be like the "town commons" of Walt Disney World, feeling like a family-friendly town that we all wished we lived in. Imagine modern day Main Street U.S.A. or small town Disney Springs. You can include whatever you want in it, small locally owned shops, bike rentals, fountains, transport to and from, small attractions like carousels, large water features, whatever your heart desires.

Just remember, we're not designing a hotel here, or a new Disney Springs, but a calm town commons. If this was poorly explained, blame the painkillers and go ahead and ask me in the PM.

This project is due Thursday, September 25th at 11:59 PM PST (2:59 AM EST, 1:59 AM CST, 3:59 PM PT)

(I am also resetting so will not be adding previous guest judges. If you'd like to guest judge and be added, just message me or reply here.)​
 

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