Sirwalterraleigh
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Any subsequent characters were built on the back story of the original characters. You can’t have a horse without the hooves
KOTOR is built on the obi wan and Vader myth conjured up and fleshed out in the OT.
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KOTOR is built on the obi wan and Vader myth conjured up and fleshed out in the OT.
AdventureHasAName
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NEWSFLASH: Baby Boomers weren't into Star Wars. Generation X was infatuated with it. Baby Boomers took their kids to see Star Wars.
easyrowrdw
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This would kill at my house!
From everything I've read, many elements from Lucas's storyline (particularly Luke) are what we got in 7 and 8.
flynnibus
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They were… which is why star wars changed the tone of most theater stuff at the time and shifted sci fi too. 70s were dark and depressing in entertainment… disaster films etc. star wars brought back optimism and hero flicks.
And it wasn’t because boomer’s kids said ‘we want more of that’
Sirwalterraleigh
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The original movies were crafted by ilmThis would kill at my house!
From everything I've read, many elements from Lucas's storyline (particularly Luke) are what we got in 7 and 8.
And the editors…
It wasn’t Lucas that made the finished products. Many good docs about how his cuts were complete $&@!…
Especially Star Wars and Jedi. It was the people around him that pulled them off the cliff and he always had kinda a chip about it too.
It was proven when he didn’t have those people and the putrid effort of episode one was almost completely “what he thought was great”
The point is…ideas need to be washed through the common sense filter
Sirwalterraleigh
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erasure fan1
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Until it was treated as a joke. And that's a big issue with the sequels.Luke Skywalker’s lightsaber was treated like some kind of sacred relic
It's obnoxious because they completely screwed it up. If done properly, nostalgia and fan service will greatly enhance a legacy franchise sequel/prequel/spinoff.
How did they mitigate it? All they did was do a good job of using the nostalgia. But they completely catered to nostalgia with it. If the Darth Vader hallway massacre isn't one the biggest nostalgia plays in star wars. I don't know what is. And it was absolutely one of the absolute best things in Star wars. If the nostalgia in the sequels was done with the care of something like Maverick or Cobra Kai...
I'm not so sure about that. Gen X was absolutely infatuated with it. Look no further than myself. But I think it was more popular with boomers, at least the men, than you think.
Sirwalterraleigh
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lol…I’m only doing this for the therapy…
Disney actually greenlit and screened a movie where they made Luke a loser deadbeat…Leia a crazy lesbian wizard…and yoda a dead stand up comedian
That will never not be the indictment that it is.
Disney actually greenlit and screened a movie where they made Luke a loser deadbeat…Leia a crazy lesbian wizard…and yoda a dead stand up comedian
That will never not be the indictment that it is.
AdventureHasAName
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I'm 50 years old; tail end of Generation X. I know tons of old people. Most everyone I know are old people (ie, Baby Boomers and Generation X). I don't know a single Baby Boomer who even thinks about Star Wars. Meanwhile, every male in Gen X that I know was infatuated in the 1980s with the Star Wars franchise. All of them. The Baby Boomers were raised on the radio and then westerns on b&w tv. They were raising young kids and trying to get their careers on track when Star Wars hit theaters. On the other hand, Gen X was between the ages of 5 and 15 when the Star Wars phenomenon began - and that is prime age when people adopt their hobbies, and interests, and tastes (music, cinema, food, etc). The Baby Boomers weren't playing with Star Wars action figures, and playing the video games on Atari, and dressing up as Ewoks for Halloween.
Literally my first memory is being in a movie theater during the opening scene of Star Wars when the smaller ship is being chased by the larger imperial ship. I am told that it was at a double feature showing of Star Wars and The Empire Strikes back in 1980. I was four.
MoonRakerSCM
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So Disney just buys things, royally messes them up, and then moves on?
Locusts salting the earth... and still blaming other while doing it.
Locusts salting the earth... and still blaming other while doing it.
AdventureHasAName
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Well ... just modern Disney.
flynnibus
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And what was Star Wars modeled on? The serials of the early TV pioneers and format taken from radio. Boomers range from 1946-1964
A boomer born in 1960 was a teenager when Star Wars hit. A boomer born in 1955 was only 22. This is the prime 18-34 demographic that movie theaters were focused on.
Know why baby boomers weren't playing with action figures or dressing up in the plastic masks at halloween? Because they weren't 12. That doesn't mean they weren't fans. Literally Star Wars was a pop culture phenom. And that's not driven by 8yr olds.
I mean this topic has been written on for ages for how Star Wars changed film. The toy element and kids is there, but not the sole audience nor significance of the film and its release.
Paramount didn't change Star Trek The Motion Picture because of Star War's kid demographic...
Disney Analyst
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If were being honest, this is a problem with capitalism, across many sectors, and not a Disney only issue.
A few big corporations, or investment firms, or others, buy up all the competition, and beloved or trusted brands usually see a massive quality difference after this.
I look at Tim Hortons, a beloved Canadian brand. Bought by the a Brazilian-American investment firm, and the quality is garbage now.
Alice a
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My dad, a 77 year-old Boomer, saw A New Hope in theatres, first run, with his buddies. They were floored by the groundbreaking effects.
It was THE movie to see when it was released. Lots of those ticket buyers were adults, like my dad, who later took my mom on a date to see it, years before they ever got married or had kids.
Just because boomers weren’t playing with the toys didn’t mean it was just a phenomena for kids. It wouldn’t have been so overwhelmingly successful if it was just X who enjoyed it.
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Willmark
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It is rather amusing to read.
Sirwalterraleigh
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34 year olds in 1977 weren’t the “prime demographic” for Star Wars…
They were likely working blue collar with a couple of kids
Applying todays standards to the past is how we get ourselves into trouble and look stupid.
They were likely working blue collar with a couple of kids
Applying todays standards to the past is how we get ourselves into trouble and look stupid.
Willmark
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I have a feeling if he truly knew what most of us Xers would actually say, probably would cause a board wide melt down.
Sirwalterraleigh
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It was a phenomenon for anyone…
Ironic that we discuss this on the day before the 50th anniversary of the release of jaws…the first summer blockbuster. Guess what the second one was?
Anyway…it was huge because it was huge.
But the reason Star Wars never died…and was amplified selling product long after 1983…especially in the fervor leading up to 1999…was 99% gen X.
A director once said “Star Wars was a fairy tale for the first generation without Heroes…coming off a time of social turmoil and changes in the world view”
He was right…made a few bucks off it too
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Sirwalterraleigh
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