Universal Epic Universe (South Expansion Complex) - Now Open!

lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Jrb1979 said:
It's funny how Universal and Disney GP whine about waiting in lines. Yet you rarely see complaints about long waits at parks like Dollywood. Part of me wishes all the skip the line passes never existed. Go back to everyone waiting in Standby. 2 hour waits for everyone
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Because those parks have a higher average attractions per guest per hour. They don’t consistently have hour plus long waits unless you go on the busiest days.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Jrb1979 said:
Some of the major regional parks do have 90 minute to 2 hour waits for the top coasters every day.
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They actually don’t.

Thrill Data’s maximum average for the past month across the old Cedar Fair parks is 85 minutes for Siren’s Curse. The legacy Six Flags parks are even lower. They’re not average what you claim as a daily minimum.
www.thrill-data.com

Cedar Fair Wait Times | Thrill Data

View current and historical wait times and Crowd Calendars for Cedar Fair on Thrill Data
www.thrill-data.com
 
Jayspency

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Jrb1979 said:
Some of the major regional parks do have 90 minute to 2 hour waits for the top coasters every day.
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The major regional parks can get long lines but they're not as consistently slammed as the Disney or Universal parks. For reference, when I went to Cedar Point last month I only waited on average 25 minutes for everything. The only hour+ line that I waited in was for Millennium Force which was due to a 60 minute weather delay.
 
MrPromey

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Jayspency said:
The major regional parks can get long lines but they're not as consistently slammed as the Disney or Universal parks. For reference, when I went to Cedar Point last month I only waited on average 25 minutes for everything. The only hour+ line that I waited in was for Millennium Force which was due to a 60 minute weather delay.
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And this is the problem in Orlando. People are paying more to get there, more to get into the parks and then dealing with these waits. Across the board, that seems unacceptable to me, especially with newer attractions that are often only a couple of minutes long.

You literally have time in line to watch a feature-length movie and then the length of the attraction is less than what a bathroom break takes... then you get in another line. They try to say the "value" comes from a full day of entertainment when in many cases, you're paying for sometimes an hour or less of actual total entertainment with a day of standing in lines and with both Disney and Universal, big chunks of those lines can be in brutal outdoor heat.
 
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rd805

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Yeah i'm minutes from Dorney Park in PA, hour-ish from Hershey Park, and a little less than 2 from Six Flags Great Adventure. Even including them in the same conversation as Disney/UNI is just nonsensical to me -- i love all parks, but it's just not even close to the same experience.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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rd805 said:
Yeah i'm minutes from Dorney Park in PA, hour-ish from Hershey Park, and a little less than 2 from Six Flags Great Adventure. Even including them in the same conversation as Disney/UNI is just nonsensical to me -- i love all parks, but it's just not even close to the same experience.
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You're right they aren't the same experience. I never said they were. My point was a response to how people hate waiting in long lines. All I said was at regional parks majority of guests don't complain much about it
 
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DarkMetroid567

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MrPromey said:
To me, GE feels more like a backlot with a couple of attractions on one side than a themed land.

There's lots of buildings and static stuff taking up space but there's nothing going on with most of it. There's really nothing to do but walk past most of what's there. I feel like they could have saved at least 1/3 of that space for something else, even if it meant not being able to tout it as the largest expansion in their history.
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I totally get this sentiment, but it feels pretty non-unique. Static stuff taking up space covers a lot of theme park lands called the best in the world, including the Potter lands and some of Cars. I guess I just don’t feel it’s any different.
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The comparisons of GE and Berk seem silly to me because out of all the lands in Epic, that is the one meant least to compete with something like GE, which itself was meant to compete with Potter. For a similarly intended audience, the easiest comparison seems to be TSL. (funny enough, both have coasters with bad views, too)
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I missed the Berk comparisons, but I think Berk might be the point of comparison because it feels the most like a traditional theme park land at Epic? There’s actually some depth to the land and it feels like it would have been right at home at IOA.
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I think the only takeaway is why couldn't Disney do with droids what Universal did with dragons? The droids even have advantages: Much easier to build and maintain with incredibly basic articulation and internal access points for maintenance that don't even need to be hidden, easier to use weatherproof and weather resistant materials on and the ability to use blinking lights as a cheap way to make them look real. A $10 off-the-shelf sensor could have been used to make a few of them stare guests down without having to expect much more out of them since they're only intended to be robots to begin with. Best of all, when they break and only partially function, they still look and act like real droids so it's not immersion breaking the way a dragon with a weird lazy eye or a mouth that doesn't open would be.

Instead, they've opted for a small number of cute little expensive and over-engineered wonders that have to be puppeteered, run on batteries and will have limited interaction time with guests. Like Muppet Mobile Lab - really cool but something many park guests will never end up experiencing outside of youtube.
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Yeah, unsure. I imagine the fear is guest congestion and guest damage. Though you mention the Berk dragons which I think is actually the same deal as the little droids —over-engineered and no real guest interaction, and they only appear in this haphazard almost-backstage area at unscheduled times, so you gotta be lucky to see them. I think these things are just hard to figure out.
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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Andrew C said:
Looks cool. I’m a fan of rise. Just not much going on. Which kinda ruins the immersion. How can you be immersed in a place that feels dead?
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And a lot of it is behind a paywall.

Not spending hundreds to build lightsabers or droids? Keep walking.

The tiny bar with a time limit doesn't help either.

It gets the surface level stuff right, but needs more to do and see.
 
Purduevian

Purduevian

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EDIT: didn't see that there was already a thread on this: https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/epic-universe-expansion.986453/

Seems like EPIC might be building that wall to fix most sightlines from Berk. Screenshot from here
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Purduevian

Purduevian

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Andrew C said:
So far, this stuff has been speculated to be for an event center/multi-use building at Epic, staging for the new coaster to replace rip at UOR, and now to address sightlines? :hilarious:
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I personally have no clue... but theme park stop has been pretty good about construction updates. Per the video:
  1. They are at EPIC, not at the north campus
  2. They appear similar to the wall around Hagrids
  3. There is a trench being dug around that expansion plot
  4. There is wall paneling in the construction zone
Seems like something that could have gotten pushed until after opening
 
Tom Morrow

Tom Morrow

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Jrb1979 said:
It's funny how Universal and Disney GP whine about waiting in lines. Yet you rarely see complaints about long waits at parks like Dollywood. Part of me wishes all the skip the line passes never existed. Go back to everyone waiting in Standby. 2 hour waits for everyone
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If they removed all "skip the line" passes, the wait times for standby (now the only line) would go down, not up, and would not stay the same.
 

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