easyrowrdw
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I agree. I see kids being pushed around the park while staring at ipads far more than I see kids running around out of control.
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DisneyHead123
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This might be a semantic quibble, but I don’t think non parenting is a primary issue in 2025, for the most part. If anything parents now are always being accused of helicopter parenting and so on.
I’m on the fence regarding whether this involves a sense of entitlement (“If my little Jaxson and Oakley want to climb theme park structures they deserve to, stop crushing their spirit!”) or if people always did stuff like this and we just didn’t know or care before social media.
Ayla
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Regarding the bolded, yeah, that is non-parenting.
We spent the last few days at a hotel in downtown Chicago and I was appalled at the lack of parenting I saw. If your kids bad behavior is impacting others and you don't do anything to stop or correct it, I'm going to judge you.
DisneyHead123
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Again, maybe a semantic quibble. I feel like I see so much online about non parenting and lazy parenting these days, and as someone who grew up in a generation of latchkey kids and / or kids who were locked outside much of the time, it always seems like what we’re seeing today is subtly different. Like if someone said boo to little Jaxon and Oakley about what they were doing, odds are good mom would be right there ready to have a fit. When I was young there might have been true free range parenting happening but if a random adult screamed at you to get down mom and dad weren’t there to save you.
Goofyernmost
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That is a different problem for a later time in their lives. (that is where the living in their parents basement in their 30's playing video games all day are sprouted from)
What we are talking about with this post, is the picture of kids climbing on an obviously fenced in object. If they had left it open then it is probably a far less problem, however, that is not the case in this one. Disney fenced it off for a good reason and a good parent would have made sure that their children respected that, in life, there are some boundaries and that they need to respect them. Otherwise we have large groups of people that feel that they are free to do whatever the hell they want too. If that sounds familiar, I meant it too.
What I do know is that when my kids were young even if it wasn't fenced in, it would not have been allowed unless it came with a sign that said, this is for kids to climb on. In this particular case it is 100% lousy parenting.
TrainsOfDisney
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Anyone remember the scandal of Joe letting his kid play in the dinosaur fountain!? Fun times!
DisneyHead123
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If it’s the video I’m thinking of, he didn’t let him play in the fountain. It was a funny video because his kid is losing his mind trying to get in the fountain and Rohde looks only minimally aware of the situation as he’s holding on to this little tornado.
Club Cooloholic
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I don't think this happens often though. Ya know what happens every dang day at the parks? People being slobs and not picking up their trash when they leave a table. People hogging seats in theaters by not moving down further when the CMs said multiple times to please not stop in the middle. That annoys me more than this.
DisneyHead123
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I think the most common offenses are:
1. Poor awareness of others while walking, driving a scooter, or pushing a stroller. I’d also put running in that category.
2. Being rude to CMs
3. Being rude to or confrontational with other guests
4. Littering
5. Seat hogging / not moving all the way down
6. Pushing in front of others for parades (or saving a spot for 40 people)
I won’t even include having a family meltdown, since that’s the family’s business.
Obviously you do get climbers in limited instances though, a la the Mexico pavilion.
Club Cooloholic
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As someone who has had to go through a few of those family melt downs, I try not to judge those. Their origins can sometimes be surprising lolI think the most common offenses are:
1. Poor awareness of others while walking, driving a scooter, or pushing a stroller. I’d also put running in that category.
2. Being rude to CMs
3. Being rude to or confrontational with other guests
4. Littering
5. Seat hogging / not moving all the way down
6. Pushing in front of others for parades (or saving a spot for 40 people)
I won’t even include having a family meltdown, since that’s the family’s business.
Obviously you do get climbers in limited instances though, a la the Mexico pavilion.
DisneyHead123
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Oh for sure. Disney is so stimulating (sometimes overstimulating) as well, that adds to it.
Goofyernmost
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I would add a 1.5 to that list.I think the most common offenses are:
1. Poor awareness of others while walking, driving a scooter, or pushing a stroller. I’d also put running in that category.
2. Being rude to CMs
3. Being rude to or confrontational with other guests
4. Littering
5. Seat hogging / not moving all the way down
6. Pushing in front of others for parades (or saving a spot for 40 people)
I won’t even include having a family meltdown, since that’s the family’s business.
Obviously you do get climbers in limited instances though, a la the Mexico pavilion.
1.5 Poor awareness of others that are walking, driving a scooter or pushing a stroller.
Don't even try and blame those problems strictly on the people walking, driving a scooter, or pushing a stroller. As a user of the scooter myself I cannot tell you how many times someone has just shifted direction right in front of me. People are engrossed in the surrounding things. There heads are at least 5 ft. above the ground someone in a scooter is looking directly at everyone's butt. That is the level we are on. If anyone is unaware it is the common pedestrian. They get hit because they didn't bother to look before they change direction and then have the audacity to scream at the person driving the scooter and not take any of the responsibility for their own actions. All a person using a scooter has to look at is the direction of the crowd. If timing happens wrong and the person ahead decides to alter direction just when the person on the scooter gets there they get run into. I've come close a number of times and I can tell you it wasn't because I wasn't aware, so lets put that offense on the people that are primarily causing it. We are very aware because we are the one's having to work their way through a crowd of people and if there is anything that is unpredictable it is where a persons next step is going to land.
I personally, after all 48 trips to WDW, have never seen anyone carelessly drive a scooter into a crowd and I doubt I ever will. Just remember that just because you are joyfully taking in the scenery in front of you it doesn't mean that someone isn't fairly close behind you that might not be able to react quickly enough when you make that sudden move to the left or to the right. It takes two to tango.
Mr. Sullivan
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But kids weren't really using TSI which was kinda the whole point.
DisneyHead123
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I think “while walking” covers this, but definitely. It can come from anyone in the park moving about.
DisneyHead123
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Lol, I was probably being nitpicky, but I do think that as a parent the accusations that “People don’t want to parent!” don’t quite cover the situation. What I find more commonly is that I’m in some weird p*ssing contest with parents who are hanging out on the sidelines ready to do the Little League Parent thing regarding each and every interaction their child is in. It’s not lack of parenting, it’s this competitive stance that their child always needs to come out on top.
easyrowrdw
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If you went there you’d see plenty of kids (or maybe not because they were in the caves lol). But kids just running around and using their imagination doesn’t sell line skips or merchandise.
donaldtoo
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When our children (all 3 now in their 30’s) were little, both my wife and myself used to take them shopping together, as much as was reasonably possible. No leaving all the kids home with 1 parent while the other went out and did the shopping.
2 reasons…
We felt they needed to be out in public as much as possible from an early age, to learn how to behave properly in said public, and I was there to remove any offending children.
As a result, all 3 are very well-liked, respectful and productive adults.
And, our 2 young granddaughters (4 and 6) are very well-behaved, and well on their way to same.
Bottom line…
The “inconvenience” of doin’ the parenting thing correctly from the beginning is nothing compared to the “inconvenience” you’ll face later on down the road, when your kids are self-absorbed, disliked, snots.
Alice a
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There are good parents and bad parents. We get a lot of families coming into our hardware store on Saturdays, and a fair amount of them basically abandon their 4-12 year old kids when they walk in.
It’s such a problem that we now have a code word the cashier says over the walkie as soon as kids are spotted.
A hardware store, no matter how cute and old-timey feeling, is no place for a small kid to be alone.
We’ve had toddlers put screws in their mouths from the loose fastener bins (got a bad google review for telling the kid not to), small children playing with hammers and crowbars and sledgehammers, and they destroy the small toy endcap we have and terrorize the store cats.
You can’t say anything to the parents because they go off, and they get mad if we say anything to their kids, so a staff member basically has to babysit the kids as long as they’re in the store. Which is not their job. Now I don’t have staff to help out in plumbing because she’s corralling someone’s kid.
Plenty of parents come in and their kids are great. Sometimes contractors bring in their kids on school holidays, and those kids are fine.
It’s the entitled jerks who ruin it for everyone.
It’s such a problem that we now have a code word the cashier says over the walkie as soon as kids are spotted.
A hardware store, no matter how cute and old-timey feeling, is no place for a small kid to be alone.
We’ve had toddlers put screws in their mouths from the loose fastener bins (got a bad google review for telling the kid not to), small children playing with hammers and crowbars and sledgehammers, and they destroy the small toy endcap we have and terrorize the store cats.
You can’t say anything to the parents because they go off, and they get mad if we say anything to their kids, so a staff member basically has to babysit the kids as long as they’re in the store. Which is not their job. Now I don’t have staff to help out in plumbing because she’s corralling someone’s kid.
Plenty of parents come in and their kids are great. Sometimes contractors bring in their kids on school holidays, and those kids are fine.
It’s the entitled jerks who ruin it for everyone.
They were designed to be clear to be climbed on