Long term effects of WDC decision making, failure to innovate, and price gouging has caught up with WDW

CaptainJackNola

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Happy Sunday, Fellow Disney Fanatics,

(For the record, I've been a member here since the early 2000s, but can't login due to defunct email address).

Many of us, for more than 10 years, have been sounding the alarm on cost increases being too much and the decline of services offered for attendance. We've been saying for years, to the flames of others, that at some point this will affect WDW in a negative way, that they would out price the average consumer, and it seems to have come to fruition, aided by the opening of EU at USF and affordability of USF, SW, and Dollywood in PF, Tn.

The parks in Orlando were virtually empty for July 4th, historically the third most attended day of the year save for Xmas and Thanksgiving. Many will say "it's the economy," however nearby USF and SW are bursting at the seams, seeing record increases in attendance. Additionally, I've never seen the Florida beaches more crowded (or condos more expensive).

If anyone doubts this, please see WDW PRO podcast on YT for the average wait times throughout the days on July 3 and 4, and for real time video and pics, a long with other data.

I have to say this is disheartening. I still love WDW, was watching Top 7 Must Dos on YT with the family this morning. Ultimately, I long for the way WDW used to be. Where I felt valued as a guest, and was treated as such.

So what will fix all of it? In my opinion, new leadership, in not only Iger and his upper Management across the organization, but the leadership change is needed on the Board of Directors, too. This Company needs a Walt (impossible), or a Michael Eisner circa 1986, a creative mind who aims for cutting edge innovation and offering value to guests. That's a tall ask.

As we face the destruction of Frontierland for another remake of an IP, and the change of the landscape of the Magic Kingdom that will be nearly irreversible, what do you think?

I think the downturn in Disney attendance is just beginning, as WDW prices mirror the cost of a trip to Europe, and nearby parks are, on average, a thousand dollars cheaper for a family over a 5 day trip (I've priced it).

What do you think will fix our beloved company and Theme Park?

Or do you think everything is fine as is? (I can't imagine this to be true).

I'm ready for the flames and sarcasm, but my intent was not to provoke. Rather, open a thorough dialogue as to your thoughts on this. I perused through 6 pages of posts to satisfy those who will tell me this has been discussed adnauseum, but these new realities of July 4th attendance renew the debate. We've been predicting the alienation of guests from WDW since the massive price hikes and charging for once free perks of attendance, and the elementary addiction to IP, low level attractions while USF began to act more like the Disney we knew and loved. I think we've arrived at that point....
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Disney needs a Renaissance like when Eisner/Wells came in. They'd have their work cut out for them, but man the possibilities with this company are endless. Brand rebuilding would definitely be needed.....badly. Another "Wonderful World of Disney" on Sunday nights would be a great start.....Rebuild that family connection.
It all starts with the Board ( all recently reelected ) who have the full support of Iger. No more Roy Disney like person who led a shareholder revolt to successfully get rid of Eisner.
 

JusticeDisney

Well-Known Member
WDW has certainly made some missteps but this “sky is falling” claim is ridiculous. Was recently at WDW and every park was mobbed. The idea that WDW is struggling and Universal is “busting at the seams” is laughable. We all hold WDW to the highest standard (as well we should) and at times it has definitely fallen short of that standard as of late, but WDW is still king of this world and always will be.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The usual “no fault” excuse for Disney is “we’ve been hearing about this for years…and nothing happens”

Well now it is…and that’s a bad sign in of itself. The name on the door masks mistakes for a long time due to reputation and clout. So their mistakes dont show up next week or year…they have 5,10+ plus of good will that will shield it.

In the past that gives them time for course correction…this is the first time they have doubled down on bad ideas. 12 years at least. Now the crops aren’t growing
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Except there is major expansions happening in 3 of the 4 parks.

Bottom line is WDW is simply not suffering in any way numbers wise that other parks aren’t also suffering.
Actually quite the contrary

You want to try this again…or are we content to disagree and not muddy the waters?

For instance: currently there is exactly 1…1 technical “expansion” going on

It’s the coco boats in dak. And even that is a sketchy since they dismantled primeval hurl in the middle of the night how many years ago?

If you subtract before you add…you are mathematically back to zero.
 

JusticeDisney

Well-Known Member
Actually quite the contrary

You want to try this again…or are we content to disagree and not muddy the waters?

For instance: currently there is exactly 1…1 technical “expansion” going on

It’s the coco boats in dak. And even that is a sketchy since they dismantled primeval hurl in the middle of the night how many years ago?

If you subtract before you add…you are mathematically back to zero.
There are three major expansions. That’s a fact. That one is further along than the others does not negate that. And once these expansions are complete, WDW will have added roughly the same number of major attractions as all of Epic. Another fact.

Look, I agree that Disney has made some really poor decisions over the years, but your claim that, because of those decisions, they are now suffering in some way that other parks are not is incorrect.

As to your point that there are subtractions to go along with additions, you are absolutely correct about that at AK and HS. However, the additions far exceed the subtractions in terms of magnitude.
 

Andrew25

Well-Known Member
Universal is not bursting at the seams. Crowd levels are down as well. (IOA is only showing a minor boost in wait-times due to Hagrid offering Express now).

Epic Universe just opened, and they still have lots of hotel room availability and have just started offering decent FL resident deals.

Every price hike WDW has done, Universal has followed.... they just don't get the same level of attention since their fandom is a fraction of the size of Disney. I've been warning about Universal also reaching a price ceiling similarly to WDW.
 

JusticeDisney

Well-Known Member
Universal is not bursting at the seams. Crowd levels are down as well. (IOA is only showing a minor boost in wait-times due to Hagrid offering Express now).

Epic Universe just opened, and they still have lots of hotel room availability and have just started offering decent FL resident deals.

Every price hike WDW has done, Universal has followed.... they just don't get the same level of attention since their fandom is a fraction of the size of Disney. I've been warning about Universal also reaching a price ceiling similarly to WDW.
Phenomenal post. Those who insist that WDW is struggling in some way that other parks are not are simply misinformed.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Theme parks are only one part of TWDC, and as along as they can keep the stock price somewhat stable, then from their perspective, all is OK.

As for theme parks, they will probably have some discounts as they feel they need to.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
And by the way, let’s not forget that the combined ongoing expansions of MK, AK and HS result in essentially the equivalent of all of Epic in terms of the number of major new attractions.
Most of these attractions you mention replace existing attractions and/or do not expand the physical park footprint in any meaningful way.

EU has 19 new attractions and shows. None of these replaced any rides or attractions, unless you count Lockheed Martin’s on-site simulators (if they had any).
 

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