EPCOT Big changes coming to EPCOT's Future World?

[Bocabear]

Some of those projects listed kind of pre-dated the official EPCOT overhaul... Yes having some more trees is nice, the restoration of the Communicore East building back into something closer to it's architectural intent is nice... The destruction of Commmunicore West, Removal of the central fountain with no replacement, the placemement of Journey Of Water, the cancellation of the UK Attraction and the construction of the "Flex Space" and DJ Dance Party are all pretty awful... That leads me to believe that another overhaul would be equally lousy for the spirit and feel of the park...

 

[Disstevefan1]

Some of those projects listed kind of pre-dated the official EPCOT overhaul... Yes having some more trees is nice, the restoration of the Communicore East building back into something closer to it's architectural intent is nice... The destruction of Commmunicore West, Removal of the central fountain with no replacement, the placemement of Journey Of Water, the cancellation of the UK Attraction and the construction of the "Flex Space" and DJ Dance Party are all pretty awful... That leads me to believe that another overhaul would be equally lousy for the spirit and feel of the park...

I have also generally lost faith in the work they are doing in WDW but that said, if they understand what they did wrong and they understand what people want, then things can be fixed.

The problem is, Disney does not understand how bad this EPCOT overhaul is. I think the insiders are thinking Celebration Gardens is a huge success.

 

[wdwmagic]

How hard is it to not power wash these things?

It isn't related to power washing. The issue is that the plastic covers are deforming in high temps and direct sunlight.

 

[Bocabear]

I have also generally lost faith in the work they are doing in WDW but that said, if they understand what they did wrong and they understand what people want, then things can be fixed.

The problem is, Disney does not understand how bad this EPCOT overhaul is. I think the insiders are thinking Celebration Gardens is a huge success.

Huge success.... in pushing around dirt and never achieving the goal... It all looks so completely value-engineered.....

 

[Disstevefan1]

Huge success.... in pushing around dirt and never achieving the goal... It all looks so completely value-engineered.....

We all know its garbage, but Disney is very happy with what they did.

Much like some of the movies they release.

 

[ToTBellHop]

It isn't related to power washing. The issue is that the plastic covers are deforming in high temps and direct sunlight.

While it has been unusually hot in recent weeks, they should have picked materials that work in Florida heat. This is the same company that produced Joe Rohde who "invented" pavement for Dino-Rama that would look like asphalt but not melt in the Florida sun.

 

[wdwmagic]

While it has been unusually hot in recent weeks, they should have picked materials that work in Florida heat. This is the same company that produced Joe Rohde who "invented" pavement for Dino-Rama that would look like asphalt but not melt in the Florida sun.

Yep, this is what happens when you sub out a part of a project and hope for the best. The crazy thing is they seem to keep replacing parts with the same, and suddenly expecting it to work.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Yep, this is what happens when you sub out a part of a project and hope for the best. The crazy thing is they seem to keep replacing parts with the same, and suddenly expecting it to work.

It's embarrassing that it still hasn't been fixed after all this time. I gave them the benefit of the doubt in December 2023 but the center of the park looking like this almost a year and a half later is unacceptable. I'd expect better from Six Flags.

Don't we literally have a member "FloridaIsHot"? Cuz it is.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It isn't related to power washing. The issue is that the plastic covers are deforming in high temps and direct sunlight.

They had plenty of time to test this back stage while they were moving dirt around on stage.

Too bad there was not enough (or maybe none, who knows) before they installed these on stage.

 

[wdwmagic]

They had plenty of time to test this back stage while they were moving dirt around on stage.

Too bad there was not enough (or maybe none, who knows) before they installed these on stage.

Well the vendor likely specified performance, which does not appear to have been delivered.

 

[marni1971]

They had plenty of time to test this back stage

If I recall, they didn’t.

Well the vendor likely specified performance

If I recall they did.

 

[Disstevefan1]

If I recall, they didn’t.

If I recall they did.

Disney is at fault for not testing back stage in my option. As for time, they were working in the dirt pit for 5 years, that's plenty of time to test back stage.

Unless you are saying the change to the stupid planter and ground lighting was a last moment decision to put, something, anything out there to complete the project that was coming up on 5 years.

This is all Disney's fault in my opinion.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yep, this is what happens when you sub out a part of a project and hope for the best. The crazy thing is they seem to keep replacing parts with the same, and suddenly expecting it to work.

Why and when would it have not been subbed out? Disney never produced and manufactured everything in house. Even Buena Vista Construction is a general contractor who uses subcontractors.

Just because something looks the same doesn’t mean it is the same materials or made with the same process.

Well the vendor likely specified performance, which does not appear to have been delivered.

Specifications are defined by Disney and their design partners, not the product vendor.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Well the vendor likely specified performance, which does not appear to have been delivered.

I am sure the vendor supplied some sort of specs, Disney should have tested this back stage.

 

[wdwmagic]

Why and when would it have not been subbed out? Disney never produced and manufactured everything in house. Even Buena Vista Construction is a general contractor who uses subcontractors.

Just because something looks the same doesn’t mean it is the same materials or made with the same process.


Specifications are defined by Disney and their design partners, not the product vendor.

As far as I know it's an off-the-shelf system, which the manufacturer created the specifications for.

 

[Disstevefan1]

EPIC has tons of lighting everywhere including in ground lighting.

It will be interesting to see if they experience failures in their in ground lighting.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The issue here is they outsourced. The vendor is at fault but that doesn’t make the situation better. It would not be trivial for Disney to invent a solution now that they can retrofit in. Meanwhile, the vendor doesn’t seem to have a solution.

Not sure this gets fixed without extensive construction. At this point, walls might be better though.

 

[wdwmagic]

EPIC has tons of lighting everywhere including in ground lighting.

It will be interesting to see if they experience failures in their in ground lighting.

Well it isn't really difficult. These systems are absolutely everywhere. I would never have expected this to be an issue at EPCOT.

 

[James Alucobond]

I am sure the vendor supplied some sort of specs, Disney should have tested this back stage.

I imagine backstage testing is generally limited to unknowns, e.g. how a specific finish will weather, how something not rated for outdoor use will hold up, etc. They’re not going to just throw every fixture in a pile backstage for a year to see if anything doesn’t meet the (supposedly) already-tested specs.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Well it isn't really difficult. These systems are absolutely everywhere. I would never have expected this to be an issue at EPCOT.