Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not really, no.

It’s now abundantly clear how few people saw this movie.

The box office didn’t tip you off?

Luckily it only had that $180 mil budget…plus reshoots

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No, I got that.

What's funny is that I remember almost typing the word "auditorium" this afternoon to describe the flexibility theaters need in the 2020's to respond more dynamically to the free market. A free market which is increasingly fickle, and is no longer behaving like it did in past decades when these types of studio contracts made more sense.

But we'll use the word screens. Almost all theaters in the USA today have multiple screens in them, which should be obvious when I referred to them this afternoon as "multiplexes".

Minecraft = $36,829 Per Theater
Snow White = $1,623 Per Theater

Minecraft needed more screens this weekend, that were being hogged for some bizarre reason by Snow White.

Just bad contracts with a company who doesn’t quite have the mojo it did…no conspiracy

Occam’s razor

 

[LittleBuford]

Minecraft needed more screens this weekend, that were being hogged for some bizarre reason by Snow White.

@BrianLo just explained why this isn’t even true.

 

[Chi84]

Cool, but it’s been done to death to the point it’s a cliché. How about trying something new that others might enjoy?

I don’t know what film you saw, but she was most definitely both, and there was much more romance than the original.

You are not necessarily “we.”

Not at all.

OK, so maybe this version isn’t for you, and that’s fine. Others have enjoyed it (myself included, though I may have enjoyed the dwarfs better if done differently.)

Before I go further, am I speaking with an adult?

My guess is a male, either young or very old - probably not "new."

We girls l

women (me) can be a badass and romantic

We girls sometimes want to sing “Someday my Prince will come”

I don’t always want to be a girl boss

Do you feel different depending on what dress you wear or maybe just a different hair style for a date?

the complex standards we women navigate daily

You mansplaining do me sweeetie? Don’t do that.

Methinks . . .

I suppose I could be wrong but women (me) don't talk like this

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

@BrianLo just explained why this isn’t even true.

I think Minecraft would have benefited financially from more screens…this Weekend. Especially since these movies are buzz driven and flame out pretty fast.

Is that “need”? Guess that’s perspective?

But there is zero reason Snow White is on that many screens except contractual. It’s awful…people don’t want it…it’s not gonna “find its legs” or make money on the steam

What are we doing? When I’m weary of wasting time debating…you know it’s bad…

And the cardinals completely laid down tonight ️

 

[brideck]

Minecraft needed more screens this weekend, that were being hogged for some bizarre reason by Snow White.

This is only true if people were being turned away at the door because literally every screening of Minecraft were sold out, which is... well, it's not the case.

And again... Snow White (at one screen/theater now) isn't really hogging screens compared to its performance. You should really look at movies like Death of a Unicorn or Hell of a Summer if you want to take potshots at movies that unfortunately don't need an entire screen right now. They're at fewer theaters overall, but in the big markets they have just as many screens at those theaters as SW.

 

[Disney Irish]

No, I got that.

What's funny is that I remember almost typing the word "auditorium" this afternoon to describe the flexibility theaters need in the 2020's to respond more dynamically to the free market. A free market which is increasingly fickle, and is no longer behaving like it did in past decades when these types of studio contracts made more sense.

But we'll use the word screens. Almost all theaters in the USA today have multiple screens in them, which should be obvious when I referred to them this afternoon as "multiplexes".

Minecraft = $36,829 Per Theater
Snow White = $1,623 Per Theater

Minecraft needed more screens this weekend, that were being hogged for some bizarre reason by Snow White.

And how do you know how many screens Minecraft was playing on vs Snow White? That information isn’t available to us.

So I don’t think you can really extrapolate from the information available to us that Minecraft actually needs more screens. For example you can’t tell if every showing was sold out or not, which I doubt it was. All you have are the totals per theater and how many total theaters it’s playing in, but that could be across one screen or twenty per theater, you don’t know.

 

[LittleBuford]

But there is zero reason Snow White is on that many screens except contractual. It’s awful…people don’t want it…it’s not gonna “find its legs” or make money on the steam

It’s a flop—no-one is denying that. But do we have any evidence that anyone in the cinema industry itself is complaining about having a generally very lucrative contract with the world’s most successful studio?

 

[Disney Irish]

I think Minecraft would have benefited financially from more screens…this Weekend. Especially since these movies are buzz driven and flame out pretty fast.

And this may be true, but that doesn't mean Snow is the first causality of that. There are many other movies out right now that are doing far worse on a per theater basis that deserve to be axed first to give up their screens.

But there is zero reason Snow White is on that many screens except contractual. It’s awful…people don’t want it…it’s not gonna “find its legs” or make money on the steam

Again how many actual screens is it playing on? For all you know its playing in 3750 theaters and already down to one screen in each theater a couple times a day and that is it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And this may be true, but that doesn't mean Snow is the first causality of that. There are many other movies out right now that are doing far worse on a per theater basis that deserve to be axed first to give up their screens.

You know…it’s been at least ten minutes since someone tried to “diffuse” how much of a tangible bomb Snow White is by tossing out a smoke screen of “maybes”

Now we’re back on schedule

Again how many actual screens is it playing on? For all you know it’s playing in 3750 theaters on one screen in each theater a couple times a day.

did you just go to plaid again, Spaceball 1?

You should head immediately down to Burbank/studio city lots and let them know you’ve solved the mystery of movie screens that have kept scholars at bay…and @TP2000 can give you a lift if you need one.

 

[Disney Irish]

You know…it’s been at least ten minutes since someone tried to “diffuse” how much of a tangible bomb Snow White is by tossing out a smoke screen of “maybes”

Now we’re back on schedule

In no way am I claiming that Snow White is anything but a bomb. But there are other movies in the market besides Disney movies, and some of those movies are actually doing worse on a per theater basis than Snow White. So while Snow White is a bomb, a huge bomb, a gigantic bomb for Disney (can I say bomb more to get your to realize that I'm not coming anywhere close to calling this a success) it doesn't mean its not bringing in a few more folks than some of the other films in the market right now. So it makes more sense financially for theater owners to have it actually on at least one screen compared to some of the other movies out there right now.

At a certain point you have to realize that no one here is actually calling this movie anything but a bomb. So I don't know why you are battling us on this, its a B O M B of a movie for Disney, and we all agree. So maybe move past that part and realize we're actual all on the same page here in that regard.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In no way am I claiming that Snow White it anything but a bomb. But there are other movies in the market besides Disney movies, and some of those movies are actually doing worse on a per theater basis than Snow White. So while Snow White is a bomb, a huge bomb, a gigantic bomb for Disney (can I say bomb more to get your to realize that I'm not coming anywhere close to calling this a success) it doesn't mean its not bringing in a few more folks than some of the other films in the market right now. So it makes more sense financially for theater owners to have it actually on at least one screen compared to some of the other movies out there right now.

At a certain point you have to realize that no one here is actually calling this movie anything but a bomb. So I don't know why you are battling us on this, its a B O M B of a movie for Disney, and we all agree. So maybe move past that part and realize we're actual all on the same page here in that regard.

Remember that “break” we talked about earlier?

If you don’t want to be alone…I’ll take one too

 

[Disney Irish]

Remember that “break” we talked about earlier?

If you don’t want to be alone…I’ll take one too

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, this might have been a conversation you had with yourself again.

But if you need a break please be my guest.

 

[Chi84]

You tell me.

I think “you are ignoring content by this member” was posting inaccurate statements again?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

It’s a bomb with an asterisk to me, because most of the bad sentiment had little to do with the actual film, and “worse” films have done better. IOW: it didn’t deserve to be a bomb. It wasn’t given a chance by many.

But it’s a bomb.

My hope is in 10-20 years, the movies bombing or underproducing for those kinds of reasons will find an audience and be appreciated.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Side note: as annoying to me as bad cgi, and for similar reason: bad plastic surgery.

 

[LittleBuford]

I think “you are ignoring content by this member” was posting inaccurate statements again?

Someone has to stand up for those poor cinema owners forced to work with Big Bad Disney.

 

[WorldExplorer]

I want content that respects the heart of a franchise and honors the original vision.

I want that classic fairy-tale magic, the romance, the “Someday My Prince Will Come” fantasy where a strong, heroic prince sweeps in.

Where did that disappear to? Where is the strong masculine Prince Charming?

We girls love the strong masculine Prince that saves us. I do, not every story but I wanted him in this one. Why didn’t Disney deliver?

Instead, we get a lecture on leadership and empowerment that felt more like a TED Talk than an escape.

Snow White is a ‘progressive sermon’ that ditched the charm for a soapbox and nobody went.

women (me) can be a badass and romantic— Disney flattened Snow White into a one-note powerhouse.

Cast actors who sell the vision, not their own agendas, and don’t mess with what worked just to push a message.

Give us the magic we’re paying for.. maybe too strong. The magic we hope for, we wish for.

sometimes even the fiercest heroine, scratch that.. sometimes I want to be saved by a prince while I’m engaged in the magic of a movie.. and that’s okay. It’s why we show up.

We girls sometimes want to sing “Someday my Prince will come” in a packed movie theater.

It’s fun. This new Disney film was not fun.

I don’t always want to be a girl boss (except on Tuesday) and I never want to be lectured and Disney has been exceptional at that recently.

I just want a classically handsome, charming dude in a movie. Flynn Rider was fun before he became the blueprint for every danged male deuteragonist Disney makes (in personality, not looks). I don't want more of him, I can find dudes who look and act like him in random modern day places; let me have my escapist fantasy.

Don't even get me started on the prince replacement's generic as heck singing voice or the freakin hoodie or how the actor is not hot enough.

 

[LittleBuford]

I just want a classically handsome, charming dude in a movie.

This doesn’t qualify?!

 

[Agent H]

You mansplaining do me sweeetie? Don’t do that.
Feels like 3 or 4 on this board are besties.
I love that, always protect your girlfriends.