DAK “Zootopia” is being created for the Tree of Life theater

DisneyHead123

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It rose to creepiness due to animatronics mixed with wild animals on the safari.

I mean, I can't say I feel strongly about it, but I just find this odd. Culturally, animals are a big thing in the US. According to Google we do in fact have more zoos than any other country. When I was a kid, not long before the time AK opened (80s), when the zoo circus came to town you could watch the elephants walk through town to the civic center. You could get your picture taken with lion cubs at the mall. Heck, years later in my 20s I went to a small rinky circus and you could ride an elephant around the parking lot. We're a country where you have kids going to alligator swimming pool parties. Being weirded out by an animal near a couple of animatronics in an environment that's clearly meant for animals seems, again, unlikely to me in a culture where you can see animals all over the place. (I mean I get it if you were on Carousel of Progress and they, I dunno, replaced the dad with a lion who's just staring at you, lol. But on a safari? Whatever.)

Again, they're entitled to their feelings, just not really understanding that one.

But the tone of the park is strange for Disney World. By means of illustration of how the students thought, from an early review in the Orlando Weekly:
Yet it's still the broccoli on Disney's plate; you know it's supposed to be good for you, but it's nowhere near as fun as downing a whipped-cream cake. Kids -- and parents -- expecting to be plopped into the world of "The Jungle Book" will be let down; here there are real lions, not a meet-and-greet with Simba from "The Lion King."
Magic Kingdom is a playground, and Epcot an international bazaar, and Disney-MGM a peek behind movie and TV screens...
The audience [for Animal Kingdom] would seem to be the post-yuppie, post- hippie generation among whom the environment is a cause that reverberates. But the enlightened will see the corporate muscle behind the message and charge the other way. Grandparents will turn out -- it reflects their pace -- but kids can find more fun and stimulation in a science museum, and for a lot less than the $44.52 adult admission charged for anyone over age 9.
To bring this back on topic, an AllEars poll:

So, if cute animals shouldn't fit, Animal Kingdom would have major thematic problems already: the theme you want isn't coming across.

If you want to say that they should change the theme, that's a different topic than insisting that cute cartoon animals were always the theme. The theme probably will shift at least somewhat to Disney IP because that's the way everything is going with the parks these days.
 
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BlakeW39

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It's more that Animal Kingdom excludes too much to be in Disney World, the way this forums wants it.

I might have more to say tomorrow.

No, it doesn't. Animal Kingdom never excluded IP like EPCOT did. It has always had IP. The difference is that DAK had themes and narrative direction and there were IPs in it, but its purpose was not simply to advertise as many IPs as possible. The entire park wasn't simply a regurgitation of TWDC's most marketable brands. That was never a problem with the park. It's just a problem for current management (and fans that have been indoctrinated by them) which seems to think the only way for a park to be successful IS to solely make decisions based on the popularity of random movie IPs.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
No, it doesn't. Animal Kingdom never excluded IP like EPCOT did. It has always had IP. The difference is that DAK had themes and narrative direction and there were IPs in it, but its purpose was not simply to advertise as many IPs as possible. The entire park wasn't simply a regurgitation of TWDC's most marketable brands. That was never a problem with the park. It's just a problem for current management (and fans that have been indoctrinated by them) which seems to think the only way for a park to be successful IS to solely make decisions based on the popularity of random movie IPs.
👆 This. 👆

"I have a fever, and the only treatment is... more movie IP in the parks" - Bob Iger (while wearing a leather jacket he tried on for a photo op while touring a Disney recording studio)
 

FettFan

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seems to think the only way for a park to be successful IS to solely make decisions based on the popularity of random movie IPs.

AKA Six Flags shoving DC and Looney Tunes characters all over the place.

"Batman: The Ride" (Inverted Roller Coasters):
  • Six Flags Great America: (Gurnee, IL)
  • Six Flags Magic Mountain: (Valencia, CA)
  • Six Flags Great Adventure: (Jackson, NJ)
  • Six Flags St. Louis: (Bridgeton, MO)
  • Six Flags Over Georgia: (Atlanta, GA)
  • Six Flags Over Texas: (Arlington, TX)
  • Six Flags Fiesta Texas: (San Antonio, TX)
 

donaldtoo

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AKA Six Flags shoving DC and Looney Tunes characters all over the place.

"Batman: The Ride" (Inverted Roller Coasters):
  • Six Flags Great America: (Gurnee, IL)
  • Six Flags Magic Mountain: (Valencia, CA)
  • Six Flags Great Adventure: (Jackson, NJ)
  • Six Flags St. Louis: (Bridgeton, MO)
  • Six Flags Over Georgia: (Atlanta, GA)
  • Six Flags Over Texas: (Arlington, TX)
  • Six Flags Fiesta Texas: (San Antonio, TX)

I’ve been to both Texas Six Flags parks many times over the years, and I consider them “amusement parks”, not “theme parks”.
Unfortunately, with every passing year, Disney seems to be moving closer and closer to the amusement park model. Just sad.
 

AidenRodriguez731

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I’ve been to both Texas Six Flags parks many times over the years, and I consider them “amusement parks”, not “theme parks”.
Unfortunately, with every passing year, Disney seems to be moving closer and closer to the amusement park model. Just sad.
I cannot see that at all. There is nothing in Disneys current catalog, even the worst of it imo, that belongs anywhere near a Six Flags. Disney has still been releasing cutting edge animatronics/effects that Six Flags would never try and Disney has not done any unthemed thrilling coasters etc. There is still a theme to each section/park even if that theme has slightly differed from the opening day theme.
 

donaldtoo

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I cannot see that at all. There is nothing in Disneys current catalog, even the worst of it imo, that belongs anywhere near a Six Flags. Disney has still been releasing cutting edge animatronics/effects that Six Flags would never try and Disney has not done any unthemed thrilling coasters etc. There is still a theme to each section/park even if that theme has slightly differed from the opening day theme.

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DonniePeverley

Well-Known Member
What stops Disney from just copying the exact plans from Shanghai and reproducing the land in the US?


The attraction in Shanghai is maybe too screen based, but the land itself is brilliant
 

The Leader of the Club

Well-Known Member
What stops Disney from just copying the exact plans from Shanghai and reproducing the land in the US?


The attraction in Shanghai is maybe too screen based, but the land itself is brilliant
I think it’s just a matter of finding a location for it and getting it approved. There are so many layers of management that these projects have to go through. It just may not be as high on the priority list as these other projects.

MK has likely been pushing for a replacement for ROA.
DAK has been pushing for something in Dinoland.
DHS wanted a coaster to offset Slinky’s popularity.
Etc.

Ultimately these park needs get passed to WDI who design projects that fit those needs. Then those projects are pitched to park management. And then Vahle. And then D’Amaro. And they keep being pitched until they’re either killed or receive that green light. Zootopia (I believe) was killed as the Dinosaur replacement in favor of the (presumably) cheaper Indy pitch.
 

WaltWiz1901

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What stops Disney from just copying the exact plans from Shanghai and reproducing the land in the US?
simple: it most likely has an exclusivity clause attached to it for the first few years of operation, so they legally wouldn't be able to for that period of time

and honestly, outside of maybe Hollywood Studios, I can't name a single spot in the domestic parks where a Zootopia land would go without feeling out of place. baby's first Imagineering pitch
 

Cmdr_Crimson

Well-Known Member
AKA Six Flags shoving DC and Looney Tunes characters all over the place.

"Batman: The Ride" (Inverted Roller Coasters):
  • Six Flags Great America: (Gurnee, IL)
  • Six Flags Magic Mountain: (Valencia, CA)
  • Six Flags Great Adventure: (Jackson, NJ)
  • Six Flags St. Louis: (Bridgeton, MO)
  • Six Flags Over Georgia: (Atlanta, GA)
  • Six Flags Over Texas: (Arlington, TX)
  • Six Flags Fiesta Texas: (San Antonio, TX)
You have to admit the ad for the ride was amazing for the time with that great voice actor and how he says Disney in it.

I'm still trying to figure out his name but did a lot of Hot Rod Association ads.
 

peter11435

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Nonsense. There have been an endless list of lands/attractions that have been cloned from regions.
I never said there haven’t been attractions cloned. I said that cloning would not mean there wouldn’t still be extensive need for planning. Even if they wanted to build an exact clone they would still need extensive planning and entirely new engineering drawings, plans, blueprints etc…
 

DonniePeverley

Well-Known Member
I never said there haven’t been attractions cloned. I said that cloning would not mean there wouldn’t still be extensive need for planning. Even if they wanted to build an exact clone they would still need extensive planning and entirely new engineering drawings, plans, blueprints etc…

New engineering plans?

Utter nonsense. Stop now.
 

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