DisneylandForward

[Andrew25]

With how much work needs to be done at DCA first and then FL... can't imagine DL Forward happens anytime soon.

 

[Disney Irish]

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With how much work needs to be done at DCA first and then FL... can't imagine DL Forward happens anytime soon.

I'm not sure who drew this, but is there a reason they didn't reroute the Monorail and still have it going through the middle of Pandora? It was confirmed previously by Disney for the Eastern Gateway project that it would be moved, and that I believe still continues with recent statements when it was reaffirmed as part of DLForward. Which by the way is required in order for Pandora to take over the Transpo Hub next to Harbor.

 

[Andrew25]

I'm not sure who drew this, but is there a reason they didn't reroute the Monorail and still have it going through the middle of Pandora? It was confirmed previously by Disney for the Eastern Gateway project that it would be moved, and that I believe still continues with recent statements when it was reaffirmed as part of DLForward. Which by the way is required in order for Pandora to take over the Transpo Hub next to Harbor.

I drew it.

I left it as is for the time being cause it'd be cool to see the monorail run through a portion of the rockwork Pandora gets.

However, it'll likely shift north around the ride building and then connect at BVS

 

[Disney Irish]

I drew it.

I left it as is for the time being cause it'd be cool to see the monorail run through a portion of the rockwork Pandora gets.

However, it'll likely shift north around the ride building and then connect at BVS

Ok, thanks. Just for clarity sake for those that don't know I think it would be best to edit your post indicating that its your own drawn creation not something attributed to the project. I know it might be obvious, but we have a lot of posters that don't pay attention and just quickly look at something and think its official.

But yes the idea was that it would shift north and come around the new bridge entrance and reconnect at Stage 17 (either right before or right after) bypassing the land completely.

 

[MistaDee]

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With how much work needs to be done at DCA first and then FL... can't imagine DL Forward happens anytime soon.

Great drawing - really nice to have something to look at. Is that a slightly blobby hidden mickey I spy just northeast of San Fransokyo?
Definitely agree some sort of "bioluminescent caverns" would be a great way to transition. How do you think the Hollywood/BVS facing side should be presented?

I don't think we'll see Avatar take over the entirety of the space you have here. I think Jim Shull is right on the money with how he has lined up the concept art:

If we can use the Shanghai Pirates ride as a proxy, the E-ticket will need about 2.5-3 acres which the eastern gateway by itself should be able to provide:

I hope they do include an additional attraction, probably more like a C ticket, but I worry they'll take the Avengers Campus phased approach

 

[TheDisneyParksfanC8]

Great drawing - really nice to have something to look at. Is that a slightly blobby hidden mickey I spy just northeast of San Fransokyo?
Definitely agree some sort of "bioluminescent caverns" would be a great way to transition. How do you think the Hollywood/BVS facing side should be presented?

I don't think we'll see Avatar take over the entirety of the space you have here. I think Jim Shull is right on the money with how he has lined up the concept art:
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If we can use the Shanghai Pirates ride as a proxy, the E-ticket will need about 2.5-3 acres which the eastern gateway by itself should be able to provide:

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I hope they do include an additional attraction, probably more like a C ticket, but I worry they'll take the Avengers Campus phased approach

At least the E ticket will be there first.

 

[Andrew25]

Great drawing - really nice to have something to look at. Is that a slightly blobby hidden mickey I spy just northeast of San Fransokyo?
Definitely agree some sort of "bioluminescent caverns" would be a great way to transition. How do you think the Hollywood/BVS facing side should be presented?

I don't think we'll see Avatar take over the entirety of the space you have here. I think Jim Shull is right on the money with how he has lined up the concept art:
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If we can use the Shanghai Pirates ride as a proxy, the E-ticket will need about 2.5-3 acres which the eastern gateway by itself should be able to provide:

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I hope they do include an additional attraction, probably more like a C ticket, but I worry they'll take the Avengers Campus phased approach

Likely the case, I just find it odd that the Animation building will just stay there unless they're planning on some sort of Avatar bypass route through there? (Or saving for more Avengers?)

I would love to keep the theater, but it'd be in no mans land.

 

[TheDisneyParksfanC8]

Likely the case, I just find it odd that the Animation building will just stay there unless they're planning on some sort of Avatar bypass route through there? (Or saving for more Avengers?)

I would love to keep the theater, but it'd be in no mans land.

To me long term the animation building will go for something Avengers Campus.

 

[CaptinEO]

Great drawing - really nice to have something to look at. Is that a slightly blobby hidden mickey I spy just northeast of San Fransokyo?
Definitely agree some sort of "bioluminescent caverns" would be a great way to transition. How do you think the Hollywood/BVS facing side should be presented?

I don't think we'll see Avatar take over the entirety of the space you have here. I think Jim Shull is right on the money with how he has lined up the concept art:
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If we can use the Shanghai Pirates ride as a proxy, the E-ticket will need about 2.5-3 acres which the eastern gateway by itself should be able to provide:

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I hope they do include an additional attraction, probably more like a C ticket, but I worry they'll take the Avengers Campus phased approach

Gosh if this is the scale of the land I'm so disappointed. Why does every land have to be a Cars Land / Galaxy's Edge size now? That works fine in Florida but not in California.

Disney has to think long term how much better it would be to slowly build out and expand into this land they just got approval for. This Avatar thing is huge.

 

[mickEblu]

Gosh if this is the scale of the land I'm so disappointed. Why does every land have to be a Cars Land / Galaxy's Edge size now? That works fine in Florida but not in California.

Disney has to think long term how much better it would be to slowly build out and expand into this land they just got approval for. This Avatar thing is huge.

Long term obviously the move would be putting it in the Simba lot. But if it has to go in the Eastern Gateway/ Hollywood Backlot what could they cut out? Make the ride footprint smaller and less grandiose? I’d rather have a huge footprint for a boat ride than a smaller one for a simulator/ screen ride. Lose the water/ atmosphere in front of the attraction? Besides that it’s pretty much just a shop and a restaurant if I’m not mistaken.

 

[MistaDee]

At least the E ticket will be there first.

Very true lol

Likely the case, I just find it odd that the Animation building will just stay there unless they're planning on some sort of Avatar bypass route through there? (Or saving for more Avengers?)

I would love to keep the theater, but it'd be in no mans land.

You could very well be right, I'm 100% just speculating based on what is depicted in the concept art.

I think Hollywood Boulevard corridor, with:

• Muppetvision theater,
• Disney Jr.,
• Animation Building
• Hyperion Theater

will be a sort of extension of Buena Vista Street in the nearer term (5-10 years) with Disney Jr. Philharmagic and the Animation Building continuing to operate while Disney evaluates if how want to use those remaining expansion pads for Avatar, Marvel or an IP anchored in Buena Vista Street.

My preference would definitely align with what you've laid out, maybe an updated Disney Jr. and some sort of new show for Muppetvision. Hopefully not a simple clone of the Zootopia show going into AK, love your idea of a Villain's show going there (and would also love a West Coast, differentiated take on Villain's land to go into the northern, Disneyland portion of DisneylandForward)

Regardless of where the transition to Pandora ultimately lands, I'm curious what y'all think about how the Hollywood side of the caverns/portal/transition area should be presented. Some options I considered:

1. entrance to a grand old movie palace - would need to be more modest than the Carthay Circle Theater to not upstage the BVS weenie, but Broadway in DTLA had the world's highest concentration of movie theaters in the "Golden Age of Hollywood" so an additional theater facade (3 total if the Hyperion remains or is updated) wouldn't be out of place.

It could say "Pandora Theater" or "Pandora Theater Now Showing: Fire & Ash"

2. entrance to an old Art-Deco train station - playing on the "transportation" to another place:

3. a more abstract spanish revival "portal"

Gosh if this is the scale of the land I'm so disappointed. Why does every land have to be a Cars Land / Galaxy's Edge size now? That works fine in Florida but not in California.

Interesting take - I'd say I'm generally in favor of Disney being ambitious with their new lands (Cars/Galaxy's Edge) over cautious, piecemeal development like Avenger's Campus. I do agree that both lands could have done more to maximize their usage of land.

Disney has to think long term how much better it would be to slowly build out and expand into this land they just got approval for. This Avatar thing is huge.

I do think Disneyland in particular, without the blessing of abundant land WDW enjoys, needs to really emphasize density in their new development - whether that development happens through big ambitious projects or through slower piecemeal development.

Fitting Coco behind the Incredicoaster would be a good way to increase capacity/density - I think there are ways they could work around the rumoured crowding concerns from the "site that must not be named" and those efforts would be worthwhile to really maximize DCA's footprint.

Similarly, if the rumors that Imagineering was contemplating utilizing multiple rides within the Shanghai-Pirates E-ticket showbuilding would be another way to increase capacity/density.

 

[mickEblu]

Very true lol


You could very well be right, I'm 100% just speculating based on what is depicted in the concept art.

I think Hollywood Boulevard corridor, with:

• Muppetvision theater,
• Disney Jr.,
• Animation Building
• Hyperion Theater

will be a sort of extension of Buena Vista Street in the nearer term (5-10 years) with Disney Jr. Philharmagic and the Animation Building continuing to operate while Disney evaluates if how want to use those remaining expansion pads for Avatar, Marvel or an IP anchored in Buena Vista Street.

My preference would definitely align with what you've laid out, maybe an updated Disney Jr. and some sort of new show for Muppetvision. Hopefully not a simple clone of the Zootopia show going into AK, love your idea of a Villain's show going there (and would also love a West Coast, differentiated take on Villain's land to go into the northern, Disneyland portion of DisneylandForward)

Regardless of where the transition to Pandora ultimately lands, I'm curious what y'all think about how the Hollywood side of the caverns/portal/transition area should be presented. Some options I considered:

1. entrance to a grand old movie palace - would need to be more modest than the Carthay Circle Theater to not upstage the BVS weenie, but Broadway in DTLA had the world's highest concentration of movie theaters in the "Golden Age of Hollywood" so an additional theater facade (3 total if the Hyperion remains or is updated) wouldn't be out of place.

It could say "Pandora Theater" or "Pandora Theater Now Showing: Fire & Ash"
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2. entrance to an old Art-Deco train station - playing on the "transportation" to another place:
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3. a more abstract spanish revival "portal"
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Interesting take - I'd say I'm generally in favor of Disney being ambitious with their new lands (Cars/Galaxy's Edge) over cautious, piecemeal development like Avenger's Campus. I do agree that both lands could have done more to maximize their usage of land.

I do think Disneyland in particular, without the blessing of abundant land WDW enjoys, needs to really emphasize density in their new development - whether that development happens through big ambitious projects or through slower piecemeal development.

Fitting Coco behind the Incredicoaster would be a good way to increase capacity/density - I think there are ways they could work around the rumoured crowding concerns from the "site that must not be named" and those efforts would be worthwhile to really maximize DCA's footprint.

Similarly, if the rumors that Imagineering was contemplating utilizing multiple rides within the Shanghai-Pirates E-ticket showbuilding would be another way to increase capacity/density.

I don’t think there is any way around Hollywood Blvd sticking around as is or becoming an extension of BVS. Of course that doesn’t necessarily mean that the Animation Building is safe but I think Disney Junior will stick around. Hyperion I don’t think is long for this world. I’m 50/50 on the Philharmagic theatre. I think they’ll want to keep the design layout of a street going down from the Hub. The facades facing Hollywood Blvd can technically stay Hollywood themed even if the buildings are housing Avengers or Avatar attractions as the entrance to the Philharmagic building would be inside Pandora and they can move the entrance to the Animation building to the Avengers Campus side.

 

[MistaDee]

I don’t think there is any way around Hollywood Blvd sticking around as is or becoming an extension of BVS. Of course that doesn’t necessarily mean that the Animation Building is safe but I think Disney Junior will stick around. Hyperion I don’t think is long for this world. I’m 50/50 on the Philharmagic theatre. I think they’ll want to keep the design layout of a street going down from the Hub. The facades facing Hollywood Blvd can technically stay Hollywood themed even if the buildings are housing Avengers or Avatar attractions as the entrance to the Philharmagic building would be inside Pandora and they can move the entrance to the Animation building to the Avengers Campus side.

Agreed on all your points. What do you think about how to present the Pandora entrance on the Hollywood side?

 

[CaptinEO]

Long term obviously the move would be putting it in the Simba lot. But if it has to go in the Eastern Gateway/ Hollywood Backlot what could they cut out? Make the ride footprint smaller and less grandiose? I’d rather have a huge footprint for a boat ride than a smaller one for a simulator/ screen ride. Lose the water/ atmosphere in front of the attraction? Besides that it’s pretty much just a shop and a restaurant if I’m not mistaken.

I'm all for a large scale boatride but we don't need a whole land for it if most the footprint is only scenery. Rivers of America does a great job at using its space for multiple rides/attractions. If Pandora does this too that is great but I have a feeling it will be the ride, a gift shop, and a quick service restaurant.

 

[mickEblu]

I'm all for a large scale boatride but we don't need a whole land for it if most the footprint is only scenery. Rivers of America does a great job at using its space for multiple rides/attractions. If Pandora does this too that is great but I have a feeling it will be the ride, a gift shop, and a quick service restaurant.

Where else (that makes sense) could a large scale Pandora boat ride go if it doesn’t get its own land?

 

[CaptinEO]

Interesting take - I'd say I'm generally in favor of Disney being ambitious with their new lands (Cars/Galaxy's Edge) over cautious, piecemeal development like Avenger's Campus. I do agree that both lands could have done more to maximize their usage of land.

I think I am all for ambition in theming, but the whole IP Land thing I think needs to take a break especially when the land is always 1 E ticket and 1 C ticket. I'd rather they make a cook environment/theme and have multiple rides, restaurants, and properties in there.

Why not have a cool beach area that fits multiple things instead of being tied to one movie? Why is California Adventure now going to have 2 beach areas?

I do think Disneyland in particular, without the blessing of abundant land WDW enjoys, needs to really emphasize density in their new development - whether that development happens through big ambitious projects or through slower piecemeal development.

I agree. It's also sad how even Florida doesn't utilize their blessing of size and instead rethemes rides.

Fitting Coco behind the Incredicoaster would be a good way to increase capacity/density - I think there are ways they could work around the rumoured crowding concerns from the "site that must not be named" and those efforts would be worthwhile to really maximize DCA's footprint.

I don't see how that site's concerns about the ride entrance is valid at all. I'd imagine it's a non issue.

Similarly, if the rumors that Imagineering was contemplating utilizing multiple rides within the Shanghai-Pirates E-ticket showbuilding would be another way to increase capacity/density.

I forgot about the blackbox ride idea. I actually really like that and it doesnt tie something to a property forever.

 

[CaptinEO]

Where else (that makes sense) could a large scale Pandora boat ride go if it doesn’t get its own land?

Movie studio entrance in Hollywood Land that transports you to Avatar.

Or a secret path in a beachfront area leads you to the ride entrance plaza.

 

[mickEblu]

Movie studio entrance in Hollywood Land that transports you to Avatar.

Or a secret path in a beachfront area leads you to the ride entrance plaza.

To save what? Some ugly backlot theming? I’m confused. I get the sentiment of wanting multi IP lands and not devoting so much acreage to single IP lands but I don’t think it’s quite making sense in this scenario when you consider the possibilities at DLR.

 

[Disney Irish]

Movie studio entrance in Hollywood Land that transports you to Avatar.

Or a secret path in a beachfront area leads you to the ride entrance plaza.

To what end though? Just to have a single ride? That seems like a waste.

And no offense, but I'm tired of this faux movie studio lot theming, I think its time to go away from that. That was so late 90s/early 00s cheapness that I think they can do better. But that requires a lot more resources, which I think they are only willing to spend on an entire land.

 

[britain]

At this point, DCA is in such desperate need of pleasant atmosphere, I don't care if it's all wrapped up in one IP with only 2 attractions. I don't trust the crew that made Pixar Pier to deliver multiple IPs within a land of densely packed attractions.