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New Tomorrowland @ Disneyland? Is this the year it finally gets announced? No, and that’s OK
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Disneyland/DCA
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^ That sounds like Walt's Tomorrowland.
TP2000
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And don't forget a smoking pit! Every mall had a smoking pit/lounge by the fountains, amongst the tropical foliage.
I was only a casual smoker at parties, or after Last Call if the night wasn't as successful as I'd hoped. And thus I found it easy to quit entirely circa 1990.
But on a weekend mall run I always found the conversation and conviviality was best in the mall's smoking pit.
Tomorrowland could only hope to be this cool.
Agent H
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Eww. No thank you!And don't forget a smoking pit! Every mall had a smoking pit/lounge by the fountains, amongst the tropical foliage.
I was only a casual smoker at parties, or after Last Call if the night wasn't as successful as I'd hoped. And thus I found it easy to quit entirely circa 1990.
But on a weekend mall run I always found the conversation and conviviality was best in the mall's smoking pit.
Tomorrowland could only hope to be this cool.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
But maybe just at a really fun party? Or after Last Call on an unsuccessful night?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
You’re talking to a 17 year old who has no context what any of that is, and honestly comes across as rather creepy really even if you’re trying to joke.
Agent H
Well-Known Member
I don’t think people need to smoke like that in a Disney park. Also unsuccessful at what?
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
Forgive him, he is from a different era and thinks everyone gets his jokes.
Agent H
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He’s forgiven. I’ve made (and deleted) my fair share of jokes only I get.
britain
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TP2000
Well-Known Member
He's talking to a 70 year old who has a full lifetime context of what that was, and my lived experiences were never creepy.
It's a discussion forum. He can figure it out, or move on. Oh, wait, that already happened...
Disney Irish
Premium Member
And so everyone should be on your same level of experience just because you're 70? Maybe just be aware that we have many young board members here who don't know what you're talking about, or have even lived one quarter of your life.He's talking to a 70 year old who has a full lifetime context of what that was, and my lived experiences were never creepy.
It's a discussion forum. He can figure it out, or move on. Oh, wait, that already happened...
SuddenStorm
Well-Known Member
The future isn't as bleak as the internet would have you believe. The average standard of living now is insane compared to 20 or 50 or 100 years ago. So many luxuries of the past are now expectations.
We're constantly innovating and improving. I'd rather be a poor person today than poor 50 or 100 years ago.
I guess it could be said, there's a great big beautiful tomorrow. And that's the future Tomorrowland should embody.
Agent H
Well-Known Member
But what is that great big beautiful tomorrow exactly? People living on mars?
TP2000
Well-Known Member
No, not at all. Part of the magic of a discussion forum is that it brings together a wide diversity of people with a wide diversity of thoughts and opinions and life experiences, which then all are expressed in the various discussions. And learning to manage that community and converse politely and graciously with all of them is a skill any young person should learn, and can only learn by trying and doing.
I had to learn that skill long before the Internet, by playing Junior Host at my parent's dinner parties and sociables, and then by getting involved in clubs and various enthusiasms that had social elements to them.
He seems to be doing just fine. Stellar, really, if he's just 17. He doesn't need coddling or a decoder key.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
That's awful to think you see nothing hopeful! We are already living in a fabulous future, with technologies and advancements and societal betterment that we could have only dreamed of just 30 years ago (the last time Tomorrowland was getting redone).
Think of what's ahead just in the next five years or so; SpaceX is taking us back to the moon to make sure our flag is still there, and then getting us ready to move on quickly to Mars. And when we go to the Moon, something tells me the first SpaceX employee to step onto the lunar surface is going to be a woman, our first lady astronaut on the Moon!
And then all the advances in home entertainment, cars, computers, and silly gizmos we never knew we had to have!
It's an incredible time, really, and the future looks very bright!
With a polyester jumpsuit clad pretty hostess standing under ever shiny corporate logo at every attraction entrance!
General Electric, Goodyear Tire & Rubber, Monsanto, AT&T, McDonnel-Douglas, General Dynamics, Coca-Cola, etc.
Agent H
Well-Known Member
That’s all great! But it’s not really a coherent vision of the future that the 1967 Tomorrowland didn’t represent already.
britain
Well-Known Member
As I previously said, 1967 Tomorrowland’s ideals & aesthetics still hold true, it just needs to be built again with new materials and techniques.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Unfortunately some here don't think the '67 retrofuturistic look is ideal for a new TL refresh.
Which is why the question was asked by the poster, what do people think it should embody if not using a 50s/60s retrofuturistic look?
TP2000
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That's a valid point. You can't just rehash what was done in 1967 for a new audience in 2027. It would seem tired, or dated, almost immediately.
But I think Disney fans look to the New Tomorrowland of 1967 as a benchmark for how to reinvent this land specifically because that '67 reinvention worked so splendidly. There's a couple reasons why, most notably because of the work WDI and Walt did for the 1964 World's Fair pavilions from Ford and General Electric specifically that led to huge leaps in showmanship and ride capacity. Good showmanship coupled with high ride capacity equals excellent customer service, after all. And the New Tomorrowland of 1967 was a perfect example of that marriage, and its dedication to customer service.
That's a whole different topic and lesson that WDI lost sight of in the 1990's-20210's; the inherent need for big ride capacity to keep lines moving and smiles from fading before they get to enjoy an excellent show.
I've been mentioning this need to go back to American Industry to tap into new ideas for showmanship and ride capacity for a new New Tomorrowland. We are entering a new Golden Age for American commerce and industry, when companies like SpaceX catch rockets returning to earth with chopsticks, or Apple introduces a new miracle iPhone every year, and electric cars driven by housewives can now go zero to 60 in 3 seconds flat on a freeway onramp.
That Disney still is stuck with a circa 1998 Tomorrowland on both coasts, with stodgy aesthetics and tired and dingy rides, is nearly criminal in this future year of 2025. It's time for Burbank to decide if they are still showmen, or if they are merely amusement park operators, and either shut down Tomorrowland or remake it for our current fabulous reality.