Rumor New Monorails Coming Soon?

[Brad Bishop]

This is the Bobs

and what i ever so “slightly” jibe the praetorians about…

pricing is not microeconomics at Disney. They aren’t AT&T…for them to continue to charge more and more and more…regardless of the changing face of the customer demographics…they have to drain their “emotional reservoir”

that is not what other business have and what truly makes them unique.

which means they have a safety net AND A very delicate balance that could turn catastrophic rather quickly with bad decisions or management.

disney has always been “expensive”….but few would label it a ripoff over the years…

if that were to happen…If they were to fall in line as just a bunch of short term, greedy hacks and it becomes the consumer consensus…there is no going back.

this BOD and management structure doesn’t seem to understand that…part of that responsibility was always to balance hedge funds and customers 10-20 years from now.

As much as I think Bob is trying to find the "market price" for the parks/resorts/anything else at Disney, I think what Bob just doesn't get is the "Emotional Reservoir" that you mentioned (Nostalgia).

There's a very real problem for a business when it goes too far that its name just become synonymous with "crap". Six Flags, while never on Disney's level, used to actually compete in the "theme park" market (alongside Busch and others). Now? They're the "discount theme park" which most people associate as a kind of "Family Dollar Amusement Park". It seems to work for them, in some way, but they would have to spend a ton of money and have a multi-decade plan to ever get back to some "premium" level. Once you've soiled your name/brand, it's THAT much harder to gain it back.

I think Disney will eventually go down the "it's not worth it - they don't even keep the place up" rabbit hole at some point, which will be sad. Recovering from that will be unlikely. Right now they're burning through their nostalgia capital about as quickly as they can. People put up with the maintenance issues and rising costs and nickel and diming because: Disney is in their heart.

One by one, however, I think they're slowly coming around to: What am I doing? Each year I pay more and more and I'm getting less and less for it. It's not happening all at once. It happened to me about 5 years back. You can see where it's happening to others.

At some point all people will talk about is "How expensive it is" and there won't be any followup of, "Oh, but it's so worth it," and that's when, probably not Bob - he'll have his bonuses for meeting Wall Street forecasts, most likely his successor, will have to deal with, "How do I get this back on track?" - it'll be too late.

 

[Rich Brownn]

Thats not why 20k closed. It was an ongoing maintenance issue but had nothing to do with the boats or tracks. Just like Disneyland's it tended to leak a lot of water. Unlike Disneyland, its on the roof of another building.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Thats not why 20k closed. It was an ongoing maintenance issue but had nothing to do with the boats or tracks. Just like Disneyland's it tended to leak a lot of water. Unlike Disneyland, its on the roof of another building.

The utilidors did not go under 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It would have been so cool to have a monorail update and expansion for the 50th!

 

[deix15x8]

I still think there has to be a way to build hydraulic ramps in the stations to avoid the need to modify the trains to be flush to the platform. The main issue was getting the trains to stop in the right spot each time, but the automation should have taken care of that.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Just update the trains / stations to have level boarding like in Las Vegas.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just update the trains / stations to have level boarding like in Las Vegas.

That’s a lot easier said than done. Raising up the level of the platforms also means doing things like redoing all of the stairs and ramps.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

That’s a lot easier said than done. Raising up the level of the platforms also means doing things like redoing all of the stairs and ramps.

Yup! Do it right.

 

[montyz81]

What ever happened to the automation for the Monorails? Did they just abandon that project?

 

[peter11435]

That’s a lot easier said than done. Raising up the level of the platforms also means doing things like redoing all of the stairs and ramps.

You’d also need to redesign the doors on every train

 

[peter11435]

What ever happened to the automation for the Monorails? Did they just abandon that project?

It was completed

 

[lazyboy97o]

You’d also need to redesign the doors on every train

Already covered that and a lot easier than raising station levels.

 

[RichKermitFan]

The utilidors did not go under 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Yes, yes it did indeed

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You’d also need to redesign the doors on every train

I was suggesting all new trains.

 

[Cesar R M]

You’d also need to redesign the doors on every train

Don't they also would need to make the contemporary's monorail station taller?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Don't they also would need to make the contemporary's monorail station taller?

Yes. What I’m suggesting is a total update of the monorail system.

 

[SteveAZee]

Yes, yes it did indeed

Do you have a map showing that? The only maps I've seen of the utilidors don't show them going out that far (under 20K).

 

[lazyboy97o]

Don't they also would need to make the contemporary's monorail station taller?

Yes. What I’m suggesting is a total update of the monorail system.

The vertical clearance at the Contemporary would likely involve removing access to rooms. It would only be necessary if you were switching to a different bogie design to allow pass-through between trains. That would involving raising the platforms even higher making stairs, ramps and elevators an even bigger bust or replacing beams to lower their top elevation. None of that makes sense when there are perfectly viable options that require a lot less work.

 

[peter11435]

Yes, yes it did indeed

No it didn’t

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The vertical clearance at the Contemporary would likely involve removing access to rooms. It would only be necessary if you were switching to a different bogie design to allow pass-through between trains. That would involving raising the platforms even higher making stairs, ramps and elevators an even bigger bust or replacing beams to lower their top elevation. None of that makes sense when there are perfectly viable options that require a lot less work.

Sorry... I should have been more clear. I don’t think the contemporary station needs to be made taller. But it might need to be reworked to accommodate a fully upgraded monorail system.

New trains with new, level boarding, really should be a no-brainer. Expensive? Yes. So were the new flyovers built at the entrance to MK parking. But they were needed and make everything safer and more enjoyable for both guests and cast members.