Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[CaptainAmerica]

Children can pass it on to adults, by the way.

All of whom have had ample opportunity to get vaccinated.

I assume, given your hatred of masks, you are all for sweeping, strict vaccine mandates?

Correct. Vaccines actually work.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Those that do advocate masks for kids are not asking you to do it forever. And also only indoors or close crowds. Only until things get under control again. Your last line remains to be seen. Unless you preface it with 'so far'. Also, its a cultural and (here in America) political thing but in Asia it is pretty common to see masks during cold and flu season.

The United States is the only developed nation with widespread masking of young children.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Okay, a few things, because your school district sounds borderline inept.

Are you telling me that if a student was identified as a close contact through contact tracing, they were sent home to quarantine and school for them stopped entirely for two weeks?

Our schools were open with mandatory masks last year, and it did absolutely nothing to stop community spread. There were still cases among the students, and close contacts still had to quarantine for two weeks. But they weren't just kicked out of school for two weeks. They just switched to remote learning. Masks didn't stop the quarantines.

You have absolutely no way of proving that it “did absolutely nothing” to stop community spread.

 

[correcaminos]

This is a sincere question.

Did you advocate for universal masking of children in school prior to March 2020 to protect them from the flu? If not, why not?

*For children,* COVID presents less risk than the flu. That has been true since the beginning and remains true with Delta.

It's actually about the same in terms of death depending on the flu year. Some are better or worse than others. Most that point to covid less tend to use bad flu years.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

You have absolutely no way of proving that it “did absolutely nothing” to stop community spread.

Sure, sloppy verbiage on my part.

The previous poster indicated that masking in school would stop the need for quarantines. That's incorrect.

 

[Virtual Toad]

Wait until you hear what the CDC says you're supposed to do to your beef.

Yeah, that was helpful. Thanks

 

[CaptainAmerica]

It's actually about the same in terms of death depending on the flu year. Some are better or worse than others. Most that point to covid less tend to use bad flu years.

Regardless, I'm asking a question about principle, not the minutiae of the statistics. Whether COVID is 20% more dangerous to children than the flu, or 20% less dangerous is not the point.

The point is, the flu has always presented a small-but-non-zero risk to children, just as COVID presents a small-but-non-zero risk to children. I'm asking why the whole world was comfortable not taking any mitigation measures with the former, but wants drastic mitigation measures with the latter.

 

[correcaminos]

Okay, a few things, because your school district sounds borderline inept.

Are you telling me that if a student was identified as a close contact through contact tracing, they were sent home to quarantine and school for them stopped entirely for two weeks?

Our schools were open with mandatory masks last year, and it did absolutely nothing to stop community spread. There were still cases among the students, and close contacts still had to quarantine for two weeks. But they weren't just kicked out of school for two weeks. They just switched to remote learning. Masks didn't stop the quarantines.

What the ever living.... seriously I said NOTHING about my school or them being inept. Not all kids have even started here, so nice try. My kid was in close contact with 2 kids who tested positive at a training. He happened to be unmasked for more than 15 minutes while eating. Since he is vaccinated he did not have to quarantine. Without a vaccine he'd have to wait 4-7 days if asymptomatic and test before going back. Next time don't assume when people don't give specifics. It's not even my state that has schools closed.

Georgia school district shuts down for 2 weeks because of skyrocketing COVID-19 cases

The district said all schools will be shut down for two weeks starting Monday. Classes will resume on Sept. 7 with a 4-day virtual school week through fall break, which is on Oct. 8.

www.wsbtv.com

Stop minimalizing what this does to kids and families.

You want school info? We had zero cases of classroom spread with mandatory mask usage. None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. All spread was after hours or unmasked close contact sports. We had excellent contact tracing.

But nice try.

Rules for quarantine varies based on time together, masking, and vaccine status for the school this year. You can take your condescending posts somewhere else.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Yeah, that was helpful. Thanks

The point is, it isn't the CDC's job to balance competing goods.

They say I should cook beef medium-well. I say beef is more delicious medium-rare. They don't care which is more delicious because their job is ONLY to keep me healthy, so that's the only thing they care about. They don't consider trade-offs.

If there was a magical pill that cost $10,000 and it could lower your risk of heart disease by 0.5%, the CDC would recommend that you take it. It's not their job to weigh the value of the $10,000.

 

[correcaminos]

Regardless, I'm asking a question about principle, not the minutiae of the statistics. Whether COVID is 20% more dangerous to children than the flu, or 20% less dangerous is not the point.

The point is, the flu has always presented a small-but-non-zero risk to children, just as COVID presents a small-but-non-zero risk to children. I'm asking why the whole world was comfortable not taking any mitigation measures with the former, but wants drastic mitigation measures with the latter.

Because it can spread more to adults who are not vaccinated and kill them. If the adult population actually vaccinated more I'd be with you.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

What the ever living.... seriously I said NOTHING about my school or them being inept. Not all kids have even started here, so nice try. My kid was in close contact with 2 kids who tested positive at a training. He happened to be unmasked for more than 15 minutes while eating. Since he is vaccinated he did not have to quarantine. Without a vaccine he'd have to wait 4-7 days if asymptomatic and test before going back. Next time don't assume when people don't give specifics. It's not even my state that has schools closed.

Georgia school district shuts down for 2 weeks because of skyrocketing COVID-19 cases

The district said all schools will be shut down for two weeks starting Monday. Classes will resume on Sept. 7 with a 4-day virtual school week through fall break, which is on Oct. 8.

www.wsbtv.com

Stop minimalizing what this does to kids and families.

You want school info? We had zero cases of classroom spread with mandatory mask usage. None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. All spread was after hours or unmasked close contact sports. We had excellent contact tracing.

But nice try.

Rules for quarantine varies based on time together, masking, and vaccine status for the school this year. You can take your condescending posts somewhere else.

If your school district did not provide adequate distance learning options for students who had to quarantine, then your school district is inept.

 

[AEfx]

Wow, people are STILL pushing the "COVID isn't dangerous to kids" myth...

Child COVID hospitalizations soar, filling pediatric wings

As Texas Schools Reopen, Kids With Covid Are Filling Hospitals in Record Numbers

'Your child will wait for another child to die.' Amid Covid-19 surge, Dallas County has no pediatric ICU beds left, county judge says​

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Because it can spread more to adults who are not vaccinated and kill them. If the adult population actually vaccinated more I'd be with you.

Grown adults who choose not to take proper care of themselves can suffer the consequences of their actions (or inaction). I genuinely don't care what happens to a conspiracy-peddling anti-vaxxer.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Wow, people are STILL pushing the "COVID isn't dangerous to kids" myth...

Child COVID hospitalizations soar, filling pediatric wings

As Texas Schools Reopen, Kids With Covid Are Filling Hospitals in Record Numbers

'Your child will wait for another child to die.' Amid Covid-19 surge, Dallas County has no pediatric ICU beds left, county judge says​

Children & Influenza (Flu)

Children younger than 5 years old are at high risk of developing serious flu-related complications.

www.cdc.gov

 

[correcaminos]

If your school district did not provide adequate distance learning options for students who had to quarantine, then your school district is inept.

You apparently cannot read. This was not a school day but a training day. And since masks were not worn as the mandates were not brought back there wasn't much they could do. Unmasked positive kids does that.

But hey, masks on kids are useless... or so you claim. I'm out as you really try to twist just to make a bad argument. Mask mandates meant last year even my unvaccinated kid was never sent a single quarantine notice.

Since we are public schools space isn't always available too, but since people want kids in school 5 days a week we cannot distance in classes too. Hence masks. So I'd say we're not inept no matter how you argue it. Have a nice night.

 

[correcaminos]

Grown *** adults who choose not to take proper care of themselves can suffer the consequences of their actions (or inaction). I genuinely don't care what happens to a conspiracy-peddling anti-vaxxer.

I do...

Yes, I still do. I cannot stop caring.

And for vaccinated, especially if it is someone immunocompromised who is doing the best they can but won't be protected. I care about enough strangers to join a trial when I am needle phobic. I cannot just stop caring.

 

[Virtual Toad]

Okay, a few things, because your school district sounds borderline inept.

Are you telling me that if a student was identified as a close contact through contact tracing, they were sent home to quarantine and school for them stopped entirely for two weeks?

Our schools were open with mandatory masks last year, and it did absolutely nothing to stop community spread. There were still cases among the students, and close contacts still had to quarantine for two weeks. But they weren't just kicked out of school for two weeks. They just switched to remote learning. Masks didn't stop the quarantines.

Quarantines here in FL are happening in numbers that absolutely dwarf those of last year when there were mask mandates in place. Please see the article I posted earlier where districts have already amassed 25 percent or more of the total cases from all of last year. And there are in most cases no remote learning options now, other than ad-hoc efforts by individual teachers, as those options were thrown out along with masking and social distancing this year in spite of dramatically higher case numbers, low student vaccination rates and a much more contagious variant.

And you said: “Our schools were open with mandatory masks last year, and it did absolutely nothing to stop community spread.”

Data? Source?

 

[Andrew C]

And you said: “Our schools were open with mandatory masks last year, and it did absolutely nothing to stop community spread.”

I’m struggling to find a study that showed mask mandates for children in school provided benefit.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Quarantines here in FL are happening in numbers that absolutely dwarf those of last year when there were mask mandates in place.

That's good! It means contact tracing is thorough and effective.

Please see the article I posted earlier where districts have already amassed 25 percent or more of the total cases from all of last year.

Case count is no longer a relevant metric. Delta is more transmissible than Alpha, and it's much more likely to break through vaccination. Also, the current Florida spike started LONG before schools opened. In fact, cases are dropping sharply since the start of school.

And there are in most cases no remote learning options now, other than ad-hoc efforts by individual teachers, as those options were thrown out along with masking and social distancing this year in spite of dramatically higher case numbers, low student vaccination rates and a much more contagious variant.

That's a problem, I'm right there with you.

And you said: “Our schools were open with mandatory masks last year, and it did absolutely nothing to stop community spread.”

Data? Source?

As I addressed elsewhere, I was loose with my language. My point was simply that we used masks all year, and we still had kids who had to quarantine because they were close contacts. The masks didn't *stop the need for quarantining*, which was the specific claim I was responding to.

 

[correcaminos]

I’m struggling to find a study that showed mask mandates for children in school provided benefit.

Many have. This one talks the pros and cons of each

Masked education? The benefits and burdens of wearing face masks in schools during the current Corona pandemic - PMC

Face masks can prevent the spread of the virus SARS-CoV-2, in particular as this spread can occur from people with no symptoms. However, covering the lower half of the face reduces the ability to communicate, interpret, and mimic the expressions of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

End result from this one is if we take steps to overcome some issues with masking, it is better off to do so.

Look I hate masks. My kid doesn't like them either but we adjust. My kid has even learned how to adjust masks without touching them with his hand. He's 13. They're not stupid. We hoped for no masks, but we adjusted. I am hoping middle school can drop sooner than later. Our HS has