Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[disneygeek90]

Is there any research showing masks efficacy in regards to delta versus previous strains?

How do we know masks are enough to provide any acceptable level of protection?

This could backfire.

Could have a bunch of masked people in line feeling “safe” only to find out they have a problem.

How many people don’t wear their mask properly?

Do you want to be in line with a delta variant not wearing a mask properly?

I honestly think the only solution as it pertains to Disney is if you don’t feel safe don’t go.

No different than having a bunch of unmasked feeling they’re safe? Literally cannot hurt?

Like I said. I’m there once or twice a week. I live here. Is the vaccine more effective than a mask? Almost certainly. But… being around people not vaccinated, it can’t hurt.

 

[danlb_2000]

Explain this to me like I’m an idiot.

If people with delta shed a lot more virus wouldn’t it make sense there is a greater chance of a particle escaping?

Most people don’t wear n95 where I live.

I’m not saying masks don’t work, what I am saying is if masks don’t work very well against Delta we darn well should know.

I was not aware of the study that showed that the delta variant reproduces more rapidly in the body. Based on that, you are likely correct, more virus would mean more could escape the mask.

 

[havoc315]

Ok nice so then can someone fill me in on what is taking the FDA so long to approve this?

Shouldn’t our children being protected before returning to school be a priority of this government?

Because the Phased trials need to be completed. It’s not a question of bureaucratic paperwork — it’s actually studying the effect of the vaccine among younger children, understanding the required dosage, efficacy and safety.

 

[Trauma]

Redirect Notice

I can’t find a article with what they are waiting on.

If they are waiting on more data how much more do they need?

Does anyone have a link to what specifically the FDA is waiting on?

 

[Trauma]

Because the Phased trials need to be completed. It’s not a question of bureaucratic paperwork — it’s actually studying the effect of the vaccine among younger children, understanding the required dosage, efficacy and safety.

Can they not approve it for emergency use in younger people?

Is there some type of legal roadblock to that?

 

[havoc315]

Is there any research showing masks efficacy in regards to delta versus previous strains?

How do we know masks are enough to provide any acceptable level of protection?

This could backfire.

Could have a bunch of masked people in line feeling “safe” only to find out they have a problem.

How many people don’t wear their mask properly?

Do you want to be in line with a delta variant not wearing a mask properly?

I honestly think the only solution as it pertains to Disney is if you don’t feel safe don’t go.

It’s not a question of whether masks provide 100% protection— they don’t. But neither do vaccines.

It’s only a question of whether the benefit outweighs the costs. If a shot in the arm reduces cases and deaths by 97%… then shots in the arm are worthwhile.

If wearing a mask in crowds can reduce cases and deaths by 30% or 50% or 70%… then that’s worth it as well.

Of course, if everyone would just get the vaccine, and we squashed the virus to super low levels, then we wouldn’t need masks.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I can’t find a article with what they are waiting on.

If they are waiting on more data how much more do they need?

Does anyone have a link to what specifically the FDA is waiting on?

For children or for adults?

 

[danlb_2000]

Ok nice so then can someone fill me in on what is taking the FDA so long to approve this?

Shouldn’t our children being protected before returning to school be a priority of this government?

The vaccines have not been submitted to the FDA for approval in younger people yet.

 

[havoc315]

Can they not approve it for emergency use in younger people?

Is there some type of legal roadblock to that?

You can’t approve for emergency use until the phase 3 trials are complete.

You don’t use people as guinea pigs. How do you know what dosage to even give until you complete the studies???

 

[Trauma]

I was not aware of the study that showed that the delta variant reproduces more rapidly in the body. Based on that, you are likely correct, more virus would mean more could escape the mask.

“The Delta Variant produces more virus, meaning it replicates and replicates like a thousand little bugs inside your body, so much so that researchers have 1000 times more COVID bugs in a person with the Delta Variant than people with the original COVID.”

If what I just posted from this article is true do you think it would mean a decrease in mask efficacy?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Where did you see that? It was not in the Mississippi article.

I'm bolding the part I'm referencing.

Dr. Alan Jones, associate vice chancellor for clinical affairs at the University of Mississippi Medical Center, told ABC affiliate WAPT in Jackson, Mississippi, that his facility is currently treating four pediatric COVID-19 patients, two of whom are on ventilators.

"We have had more pediatric admissions than we had early in the pandemic," Jones told the station.

MSN

 

[danlb_2000]

Can they not approve it for emergency use in younger people?

Is there some type of legal roadblock to that?

The FDA can only approve it once the vaccine makers submit for the approval which they have not done.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Ok nice so then can someone fill me in on what is taking the FDA so long to approve this?

Shouldn’t our children being protected before returning to school be a priority of this government?

They’re still collecting the data required to apply for EUA. Last I heard, Pfizer was hoping to apply for EUA in September.

 

[danlb_2000]

“The Delta Variant produces more virus, meaning it replicates and replicates like a thousand little bugs inside your body, so much so that researchers have 1000 times more COVID bugs in a person with the Delta Variant than people with the original COVID.”

If what I just posted from this article is true do you think it would mean a decrease in mask efficacy?

I found an article on the study after you posted. I would say yes, it's likely they would reduce the efficacy of masks, although it's hard to put a solid number of mask efficacy. We know they help, but it would be hard to say something like "masks offer 20% less protection against the delta varient"

 

[danlb_2000]

I'm bolding the part I'm referencing.

MSN

Thanks, I was missing that quote. With that said, I would still like to see some actual numbers on this.

 

[Disney Experience]

You can’t approve for emergency use until the phase 3 trials are complete.

You don’t use people as guinea pigs. How do you know what dosage to even give until you complete the studies???

You can.( but whether you get approval is a different question) Pfizer considered applying for EUA for adults earlier than their original number of covid cases(150 in 30000 subjects/ half placebo) As it was covid was common enough that they actually exceeded that number when they applied

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Thanks, I was missing that quote. With that said, I would still like to see some actual numbers on this.

I would, too. Especially where Delta is so much more easily spread. I'm still masking for the sake of my youngest.

 

[correcaminos]

You are right it was not just moderate ( I used to say it was moderate to severe, then just started saying moderate) Looking at NIH guidelines it was severe not moderate. Due to my SpO2 average numbers. ( 92 to 90. Dropped to 80s if I walked)

Clinical Spectrum | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines

Learn how SARS-CoV-2 infection is categorized by severity of illness.

www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov

Not all use that. Some use this which would still have you in moderate

Coronavirus Symptoms: Defining Mild, Moderate And Severe | Houston Public Media

These designations are often used to describe a patient's COVID-19 symptoms. At this stage of the outbreak, there aren't standard definitions, but there are preliminary guidelines.

www.houstonpublicmedia.org

Saying this as a friend who was similar to yours, with lower levels still was defined as moderate by her health provider. They watched her close as she was super high risk and avoiding hospitalizations. I'd still totally classify yours as moderate based on what others have been told. Still the vaccine kept you (in a higher risk group per age to be fair) safe and out of the hospital so it still worked.

As for the rest of this thread... wow infighting sucks.

 

[danlb_2000]

You can’t approve for emergency use until the phase 3 trials are complete.

You don’t use people as guinea pigs. How do you know what dosage to even give until you complete the studies???

I am assuming these trials work just like the adult one where you need to get a certain number of cases in the placebo group so you can judge efficacy. If that is the case, it's going to take longer with kids since they don't get symptomatic infection as easily as adults.

 

[Disney Experience]

Not all use that. Some use this which would still have you in moderate

Coronavirus Symptoms: Defining Mild, Moderate And Severe | Houston Public Media

These designations are often used to describe a patient's COVID-19 symptoms. At this stage of the outbreak, there aren't standard definitions, but there are preliminary guidelines.

www.houstonpublicmedia.org

Saying this as a friend who was similar to yours, with lower levels still was defined as moderate by her health provider. They watched her close as she was super high risk and avoiding hospitalizations. I'd still totally classify yours as moderate based on what others have been told. Still the vaccine kept you (in a higher risk group per age to be fair) safe and out of the hospital so it still worked.

As for the rest of this thread... wow infighting sucks.

Yes on that one I would be moderate as I was never put on oxygen.