Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
my stance has always been that the “peak” of wdw was in 1999...
if people don’t want to believe me...they can use your numbers
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Trouble in paradise officially?
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my stance has always been that the “peak” of wdw was in 1999...
if people don’t want to believe me...they can use your numbers
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
and you know the counter to that...so we’ll keep spinning
unmitigated disaster
Well-Known Member
"Artificially raising wages"? Lordy.
Everyone can't be a doctor, lawyer, etc. Someone has to work retail, service and hospitality jobs. You think that's what teens are for? Say goodbye to fast food for breakfast and lunch during the school year. Retail stores? Open Monday through Friday roughly 4 to 9 PM, with longer weekend hours. Hospitality? No night auditors. No night housekeeping. No morning housekeeping, either. Welcome to 9 PM check ins. Oh, and grocery stores. Meh. Again, Monday through Friday about 4 to 9. Maybe 10 depending on labor laws.
disneyfreak0710
Active Member
No one ever accused Walt of being nice to the poor, however.
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disneyfreak0710
Active Member
And only privileged people can actually make a comment like this and believe it, especially that it's that easy.
disneyfreak0710
Active Member
Granted polling a few people is not the same as polling everyone and we've all see the crowds and the people who buy into everything.
People who make under $75,000 per year are most eager to visit Disney, but it's almost unaffordable for them
Though Disney vacations become increasingly expensive each year, diehard fans are still eager to visit the company's theme parks.www.insider.com
Obviously late to this, but... I can absolutely believe this. I mean, just as a small observation, for starters being middle class ourselves, yes, we are very close to being priced out of Disney. And out of our friends and family, or even just people that we know loosely, only a couple will go to Disney. The rest choose to vacation basically anywhere but, lol, but especially Europe, South America, or the Caribbean etc... Some choose that because they'd rather just see the real world, rather than an "artificial world", but some just because they said that Disney is just too expensive for what you get. They feel they get more for their money elsewhere.
As far as whether it signals "trouble in paradise"... I'm honestly not sure. I mean, sure, on one hand it's easy to say if you price out the market with the biggest interest, you're in trouble. But, if you raise your prices enough, and can get enough of the other market to compensate... you're fine. And I suspect that's what Disney is going. It makes sense: they still earn the same amount of money, while taking care of the overcrowding issues that everyone complains about.
CosmicRays
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Coincidence that this was before social media and smartphones? I think not.my stance has always been that the “peak” of wdw was in 1999...
if people don’t want to believe me...they can use your numbers
It is not easy, far from it but it can be done. I'm proof of coming from less than ideal conditions.
Service jobs you say?, some waiters bring home six figures and work less hours per week than the the salary managers that they report to. You may not be aware that an amount managers in the retail, service and tourism sectors came from the hourly ranks through something called promotion from within.
disneyfreak0710
Active Member
Absolutely. There are success stories, but they are the exceptions, not the rule. Unfortunately there are more people that can't rise above poverty, than can. The reason for that is myriad but not the least of one of those reasons is systemic prejudice.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
the “anyone can build themselves up” is a great idea in theory...the problem is when you delve into the economics and sociology...it’s blown up due to the stark differences in opportunity that’s attached to who, what and where you are at birth.
anything can be done...but the struggle to get up the hill is almost never equal.
Spookie2018
Member
This might work for you, but I'll return yearly, even if it is, according to you, "the wrong way".
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Reasonable take
It wasn’t a personal offense. It’s a tourist spot...not life or death. Relax and enjoy it however you like.
There never was a rule. Your take on more can't raise above poverty is a cop out. Sweat, perseverance, taking risks , surrounding yourself with people smarter than you, putting on your big boy pants, a little luck , thinking out of the box are ways to improve one's situations. There is no guarantee but it is better than being on the sidelines voicing about this and that . If you talk about systemic prejudice, try and see what other countries are going through with their impacted population. It is a lot worse.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You’re using anecdotal examples to argue what statistically holds...
for a myriad of reasons, circumstances and mistakes...very few born into poverty escape it statistically
Using personal examples and choices I've made, I cannot speak on facts and figures. In regards to escaping poverty, believe it or not, some choose to remain in that situation. Some believe living in a safety net of welfare and , heard about it?
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Magenta Panther
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Oh, really? We talking about the Walt who once said "Poor kids will never have to pay to get into Disneyland"? Who once saw a nun leading a group of kids through the park, talked to her, then got her a refund of her entrance fee?
Has your head exploded yet, Cletus?