Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Heppenheimer]

A large portion of those 550,000 Americans would be alive today if they had taken better care of themselves for most of the previous years of their lives.
That is a fact.

We can only hope that as the inevitable aging process hits us and our bodily systems no longer function as efficiently as when we were young that the next generations treat us with a little more compassion. Especially if another pandemic eventually strikes.

And saying something is a fact does not automatically make it so. I hope this rhetorical device that seems to have sprung up over the last 12 months dies with the pandemic.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Your physical state defines the probability of a negative outcome. Science has determined that obesity, and other conditions, increases the probability of negative outcome. Every individual needs to homestly assess their individual probability of negative outcome to plan and act accordingly. Do not rely on others to act in accordance with your probability.

If you are obese, hanging out in a bar for an hour has a higher probability of negative outcome than a non obese person. Although the non obese is not free from probability of negative outcome.

Unfortunately, the major comorbidity that predicts death from COVID is age. I guess we should all point out to the elderly that they would be healthier and less vulnerable to COVID-19 if they didn't grow old.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Unfortunately, the major comorbidity that predicts death from COVID is age. I guess we should shame all the elderly for getting old.

If they hadn't been so lazy they would have discovered the Fountain of Youth instead of complaining about the neighborhood kids on their lawns.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The problem with pointing out obesity as a high risk factor is that, so often, the person reporting that doesn't also say, "but the non-obese shouldn't take that as a sign to not worry."

The rest of the world doesn't have the U.S.'s obesity problem, and yet 2 1/2 million of them are dead from COVID.

So far.

 

[Nubs70]

Unfortunately, the major comorbidity that predicts death from COVID is age. I guess we should all point out to the elderly that they would be healthier and less vulnerable to COVID-19 if they didn't grow old.

Yes, your observation is correct. So if you are elderly, obese or have any other comorbidity, act accordingly. Do not expect others to act in response to your comorbidity.

 

[pixie225]

A large portion of those 550,000 Americans were in good health with no underlying conditions. I knew several of them. That is a fact. Being in good health does not guarantee that you will not die from this.

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This. I also knew several people who were not overweight, exercised daily, and had no underlying health conditions, and still passed away. So sad.

 

[Disorbust]

It not just fat shaming its showing your privilege.

When people are working 2 fast food jobs to make ends meet, where do you think they are going to eat?

When you live in the innner city where there are no grocery stores and you have no transportation, where are you going to eat?

When you have a limited budget are you going to buy the salmon and quinoa or hamburger helper?

Yes there is the portion of the population that don't care about their health or weight, the Roger Alles of the world, but there are many that don't have the time or economic privelege to live a healthy livestyle.

As far as the covid death numbers, IMHO I just don't see how in the slums of Mumbai,where you have one toilet for every 1200 people, and the other hell holes around the third world that you could have accurate data.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yes, your observation is correct. So if you are elderly, obese or have any other comorbidity, act accordingly. Do not expect others to act in response to your comorbidity.

That’s be fine if there were not a myriad of means by which those who act accordingly are harmed by those who do not.

 

[Nubs70]

A large portion of those 550,000 Americans were in good health with no underlying conditions. I knew several of them. That is a fact. Being in good health does not guarantee that you will not die from this.

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83.9% of Covid deaths had at least 1 comorbidity.

Contributor: Links Between COVID-19 Comorbidities, Mortality Detailed in FAIR Health Study

In patients under age 70, lung cancer conferred the highest risk of death from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

www.ajmc.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

83.9% of Covid deaths had at least 1 comorbidity.

Contributor: Links Between COVID-19 Comorbidities, Mortality Detailed in FAIR Health Study

In patients under age 70, lung cancer conferred the highest risk of death from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

www.ajmc.com

So, 95,000 people with no comorbidities at all have died of COVID.

Just in the U.S.

So far.

 

[Disorbust]

Lack of comorbidities. Lack of comorbidities was partially protective against COVID-19 mortality, but not completely. Of COVID-19 patients who died, 83.29% had a preexisting comorbidity, while 16.71% did not, per the medical claims data (Exhibit 1).

 

[Nubs70]

Yes, 84% is a higher probability than 16%

 

[Touchdown]

I look forward to the day when kids are allowed to get the shot and I can tell a certain segment of the population to literally drop dead as they rebutt and refuse to accept Covid is something worthy of their concern. They will learn in the end, unfortunately for them.

 

[Heppenheimer]

83.9% of Covid deaths had at least 1 comorbidity.

Contributor: Links Between COVID-19 Comorbidities, Mortality Detailed in FAIR Health Study

In patients under age 70, lung cancer conferred the highest risk of death from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

www.ajmc.com

Without doing the math, I'm going to estimate that at least 70% of the US adult population has at least one comorbidity that puts them at risk for a worse COVID-19 outcome. Considering that 50% of the US adult population alone has hypertension, that's a whole lot of relatively healthy and otherwise productive people that are at increased risk.

These aren't just people sitting at home doing nothing. These are your neighbors, your friends, your colleagues, probably even family members. People you depend on, like plumbers, sanitation workers, accountants, physicians, teachers, nurses, mail carriers, etc.

But hey, screw them. I guess we should not expect others to act in response to their [sic] comorbidity.

 

[fgmnt]

So, 95,000 people with no comorbidities at all have died of COVID.

Just in the U.S.

So far.

That feels like a pretty large portion of people!

 

[SamusAranX]

I thought we went over this, oh I don’t know, a million times before? There’s rules and there’s exceptions to the rules.
Yes, perfectly healthy people can die from covid or become a long termed. The majority however will have a comorbidity or suffer increased effects because of age.

On the other hand, doesn’t give us an excuse to not do our part to help protect those who are at higher risk. Something as simple as wearing your mask at Publix for example. The higher risk there, are there because well, either they gotta work or they gotta eat. That’s just a small example. Some legit do not have a choice to not interact with society at all.

As far as obesity, yeah people need to take better care of their health, and obesity causes problems other then higher risk of covid and increases health care costs for everyone exponentially. Pointing out that fact is not in itself offensive. I just think saying it now is a bit of poor timing.

 

[SamusAranX]

That feels like a pretty large portion of people!

Yes it “feels” but it’s not the facts.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

83.9% of Covid deaths had at least 1 comorbidity.

Contributor: Links Between COVID-19 Comorbidities, Mortality Detailed in FAIR Health Study

In patients under age 70, lung cancer conferred the highest risk of death from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

www.ajmc.com

And the CDC estimates that 60% of the adults in the US have at least 1 chronic disease while 40% have at least 2. https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/resources/infographic/chronic-diseases.htm

So now your "don't expect me to behave in a way that might benefit others" mentality would have only 40% of the adults in the country able to go to work, go shopping, etc. The rest of us are locked down until the virus makes its way through the other 40%. That's not exactly setting the stage for a booming economic recover, is it? Hopefully none of the 60% are doctors, nurses, police officers, fire fighters, EMS, etc.

Oh, and don't forget the kids. Since 60% of adults are locked down, that means their kids are, too - so no in-person school or playing with friends for them until this passes unless you're lucky enough to have a parent with no underlying conditions. Of course, there's the risk that a parent might have an underlying condition and not know it, so those kids will just have to cope if things end badly for that parent. And if they're lucky, their healthy parents won't be among the tens of thousands of people who died from COVID-19 without any comorbidity.

Edit to add: I forgot to mention that the 60% doesn't include age as a chronic illness, so now anyone older without a chronic condition gets added to that 60% for COVID purposes and we're at less than 40% of the population who can go out and work, shop, go to the movies, etc.

 

[JD80]

For a bunch of people that love Disney with it's principles of inclusion and kindness, let alone a place where people like to say "Welcome Home" there are plenty of people here advocating rudeness and an indifference to the health and safety of their neighbor.

Get vaccinated.
Wear a mask.
Respect the dignity of others.
Respect an establishment's guidelines.

This way you can get back home sooner. For those that refuse to do the above, I'm not sure how you're a Disney fan to begin with.

 

[fgmnt]

Yes it “feels” but it’s not the facts.

with your gross indifference to death at all cast aside, the right wing chant about facts and feelings rings hollow when we're talking about a number in a population that is large and small. Do 95,000 people without any preexisting conditions sure from a virus often? An I missing something? What's a large number of people? 95,001? 950,000?