Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ImperfectPixie]

They have for years, but I don't believe the require flu vaccines. Also in one of posts you were referring to businesses requiring them.

MA added flu shots to school requirements this year.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

As a healthcare professional, do you then use you position to help educate the patients of the efficacy of the vaccine?

its interesting my local hospitals and medical offices REQUIRE a flu shot for their employees. I didn't realize that wasn't an across the board thing.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

And god help us if they try to mandate this vaccine (which they will try as they need to make back all the money they invested into these vaccines) as that will incite a large revolt in this country.

I'm pretty sure a "large" revolt will not happen. Again, most Americans are onboard with vaccines. By the time there are enough doses for everyone, healthcare workers and the most vulnerable will already have 6-12 months under their belt after being vaccinated. That is plenty of time to get comfortable with its efficiency. Most people want to resume normal life ASAP, and that requires enough of the population getting vaccinated.

People have been revolting against the masks for months. Disney requires masks. Guess what? Hundreds of those people crying boo-hoo over having to wear their masks are happy to oblige if it means going to WDW (for the most part). Its all talk until you tell people they won't be able to participate in a functioning society if they dont follow the rules.

Here in CA theres a reason very tiny "schools" full of anti-vax kids exist, they are not allowed to endanger other children who have followed the rules and guidelines set by many of the schools.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

MA added flu shots to school requirements this year.

Most accredited child centers in CA require all teachers have a flu shot as well.

 

[pocketlint]

Florida adds 2,883 COVID-19 cases, 66 deaths Wednesday

The weekly death average was about 101 deaths reported each day.

www.tampabay.com

 

[easyrowrdw]

From everything I've read on the subject so far, I absolutely think people should get the Covid vaccine once it becomes available. I also absolutely think that neither the government nor employers or businesses should (be able to) require individuals to get it. That is a bridge too far, in my opinion.

 

[pocketlint]

Dunno. We were planning on visiting for the first time during our cancelled Memorial Day trip. But if they are, I’d assume no entertainment. And I can get pub food without entertainment most anywhere so we haven’t checked and are doing Homecomin’ instead.
Raglan Road does look fun in “normal” times, though!

not my video but...

good times

 

[SamusAranX]

So, coming from someone who has never gotten a flu shot before...what should I expect? Any serious side effects I should be aware of? Going to Publix today. Very nervous

 

[GoofGoof]

The 10-15 year process is in place for a reason. If their were hardly any issues found with vaccines after the first year or two in development then obviously at some point in the past 50 years the process length would have been shortened.

I don't want to go back and forth in depth on a subject neither of us understands enough about. I'll just state the facts. The Covid vaccines are being rushed through. The standard process is 10-15 x longer than the amount of time the Covid vaccine is being given.

If someone can't see the safety (potentially massive) issues there then I'm not sure what to tell them.

I like you GoofGoof so I don't want to go back and forth all night on this. Don't take any of my replies as attacking you

I‘m not taking it as an attack at all, if any of this was easy or simple there wouldn’t be a debate. It’s good to hear all sides, I also hope the government and pharma companies are listening. A key to a successful deployment of a vaccine will be listening to people’s concerns and addressing them. I’m not trying to change anyone else’s mind, just pointing out how I look at this and also hoping to get factual information out there for everyone to digest.

10-15 years is an average based on a lot of things unrelated to vaccine safety. There are 6 stages of vaccine development per the CDC:

1. Exploratory: 2-5 years
2. Pre-clinical: 2 years
3. Clinical: Phase 1, 2 and 3 clinical trials
4. Regulatory review and approval: 1 year
5. Vaccine manufacturing: 1-2 years
6. Quality control: post approval but lasts years

With this process companies did the usual 4-7 years of upfront lab work in a matter of a few months. There is a risk that ”cutting corners“ could result in a less effective vaccine or result in a failed trial and waste of money and time spent. Expediting this part of the process doesn‘t impact safety, only really potentially wasted cost for the manufacturer. On the back end these companies have already started the manufacturing and quality control processes during early stage trials so if a vaccine gets approval they should be ready to go vs waiting a year or 2 for ramp up.

So in short a lot of what‘s being cut out of the process is a lot of the upfront work that’s done to get comfortable that there’s a high likelihood of success before starting an expensive clinical trial and the after trial portion of manufacturing and distribution which is usually done only after formal approval so money is not wasted. Those stages add up to 6-10 years out of the 10-15 quoted. There are risks of additional costs with no benefit should the trials fail, but not safety risks. The clinical trial phase will be shortened vs normal practice, especially phase 3 that may go a few years In some cases.

 

[GoofGoof]

The "10-15 year" process you keep referring to has more to do with economics and available case numbers than testing protocols. Much of the delay in traditional vaccine development was due to securing additional funding between trial stages and setting up the infrastructure and processes to manufacture the vaccine once it was approved. Governments throughout the world have provided guaranteed funding so now the pharamceutical companies can work on multiple aspects of the vaccine at once, rather than the step-wise approach that needed new funding with each bit of progress.

The other reason why this process can be accelerated is that with a disease with as high an incidence as COVID-19 (in the millions currently), the "n" number for the studies gives them much more power and quicker turn-over than for a disease with lower incidence, like for example, measles, who's annual incidence before vaccination was only in the 10s of thousands.

As for safety, no vaccine has ever failed a trial or needed to be withdrawn because of delayed side effects. Most of the side effects of vaccines appear within days of receiving the dose. The most severe (and fortunately, extremely rare) complication, Guillan-Barre syndrome, arises within days to weeks after the causitive event, not months to years later.

I would think the reasons for the accelerated development during a pandemic would be obvious, given how this virus has disrupted the lives of virtually everyone on the planet. Vaccine development was traditionally slower not due to policy, but due to a lack of urgency.

I left the bold part out of my previous response, but it’s perhaps the most important statement.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

So, coming from someone who has never gotten a flu shot before...what should I expect? Any serious side effects I should be aware of? Going to Publix today. Very nervous

honestly, no one in my inner circle has ever had side effects. You dont currently feel any symptoms of illness right now, correct?

 

[GoofGoof]

So, coming from someone who has never gotten a flu shot before...what should I expect? Any serious side effects I should be aware of? Going to Publix today. Very nervous

Your arm may be sore tomorrow and if you are unlucky possibly mild flu like symptoms for a day or 2 (very small percent of people have this). On the plus side they will probably give you a sticker

 

[SamusAranX]

honestly, no one in my inner circle has ever had side effects. You dont currently feel any symptoms of illness right now, correct?

Nope. I just want to get one this year with what will be an overactive “illness” season

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Nope. I just want to get one this year with what will be an overactive “illness” season

good. Like goof goof said, soreness will occur, and MAYBE mild cold like symptoms. Its a very quick shot, over before you know it.

 

[pocketlint]

So, coming from someone who has never gotten a flu shot before...what should I expect? Any serious side effects I should be aware of? Going to Publix today. Very nervous

i have an appt at publix for my flu shot as well..havnt gotten one in years..flu shot is safe

 

[lazyboy97o]

So, coming from someone who has never gotten a flu shot before...what should I expect? Any serious side effects I should be aware of? Going to Publix today. Very nervous

Treat yourself to a chicken tender sandwich from the deli with the $10 gift card they give you.

 

[Kevin_W]

So, coming from someone who has never gotten a flu shot before...what should I expect? Any serious side effects I should be aware of? Going to Publix today. Very nervous

I didn't feel the needle stick at all. About an hour after my shot, my left shoulder (where I got the shot) was sore. For the next day or two, that shoulder was sore - it felt like a bruise if I pushed on it. If I didn't push on it, I didn't notice anything. That was it for me.

 

[danlb_2000]

If a vaccine works to protect someone from Covid, why would everyone have to get it? Wouldn't it simply be optional for those who are fearful or have medical issues that put them at risk? How would anyone unvaccinated put anyone vaccinated at risk?

If the answer is "the vaccine might not provide full immunity" then the vaccine is not going to be the magic bullet to get us past this virus many people seem to think it will be.

In the above scenario Covid likely becomes something we simply have to take precautions on similar to the flu every year. Until a cure or more effective treatments are developed.

People would probably get it for the same reason the low risk people get the flu shot. I get a flu shot even though I have never had a concern about dying from the flu because it may save me from having to feel sick for a week.

A vaccine will not be a magic bullet, I don't think anyone who understands vaccines believe it will. It's just one more tool to help bring he virus under control.

 

[Kevin_W]

its interesting my local hospitals and medical offices REQUIRE a flu shot for their employees. I didn't realize that wasn't an across the board thing.

My wife is a PT for a hospital system and is required as well. According to John Hopkins its the law in 15 states. so it seems very widespread, but not universal.

Frequently Asked Questions | Mandatory Flu Vaccination

Resources | Mandatory Flu Vaccination

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

 

[Miss Bella]

I did. People are shocked by the conditions businesses can require as a condition of visiting their property. See WDW room security checks.

Right now, WDW is excluding me from its parks unless I agree to wear a face mask outside in the sun with a heat index of 110 degrees. I'll take "vaccination world" in a heartbeat.

If there is a medical reason someone can't get a vaccine, I'm sure WDW will allow a medical exemption like the one available to autistic kids and adults with severe anxiety who can't wear masks. Oh, wait . . .

You still didn't answer the question of how they are going to know if we've been vaccinated.