Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

No, because that is very likely made up. If I am reading the CDC data right, their best estimate is .5% for ages 50-69 which would be 5 times worse then the flu numbers cited in the original post. and 70+ would be 5.4% which is 10 limes worse. It's a little hard to compare since the original post cited a single Flu number but the CDC breaks it down by age.

Also, the CDC data is showing Infection Fatality Rate, and the article is quoting Flu Case Fatality Rate which are two different things.

The "current best estimate" essentially just confirms what has been obvious looking at the data. For people under 65, if you aren't morbidly obese or have diabetes you don't really need to worry that you will die if you get COVID. There are plenty of other diseases that have the same or higher mortality rate that nobody ever does much of anything to "hide from."

If you are older than 64, COVID will have a much higher mortality rate that gets worse and worse the older you are. If you are older than 64 you should be trying to avoid getting infected. If you are over 80 you definitely don't want to be infected.

 

[Epcotfan21]

John Hopkins agrees that the Florida way is better, but since they don't get the necessary data to do that calculation from all states they go with method that can be applied equally to all states.

Would be nice if they mentioned this in the article that's published on a national news site.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

ONCE AGAIN: FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK:

DEATH IS NOT THE ONLY OUTCOME PEOPLE ARE FEARFUL OF!!!!!!!

Longterm heart damage, lung damage, brain damage, basically any physiological response has been negatively impacted by the virus. (not in the same body, some people have had different responses)

Personally, as a healthy under 30, I DO NOT want the virus and any of the complications that come with it. I got a long life to live.

 

[danlb_2000]

Would be nice if they mentioned this in the article that's published on a national news site.

That would require the reporters to actually do some research. I had to take a unreasonable 5 minutes out of my day to find that information, way to much of a sacrifice to ask of a reporter.

 

[danlb_2000]

The "current best estimate" essentially just confirms what has been obvious looking at the data. For people under 65, if you aren't morbidly obese or have diabetes you don't really need to worry that you will die if you get COVID. There are plenty of other diseases that have the same or higher mortality rate that nobody ever does much of anything to "hide from."

If you are older than 64, COVID will have a much higher mortality rate that gets worse and worse the older you are. If you are older than 64 you should be trying to avoid getting infected. If you are over 80 you definitely don't want to be infected.

It only makes sense to "hide" from an infectious disease, and right now there isn't any other infectious disease that is as prevalent as COVID in the US. Ebola is much worse, but since we aren't getting 40,000 new cases of it in the US each day it does not concern me.

 

[corsairk09]

Let's see where we are in 2 or 3 weeks once the impact of restrictions roll back starts to be seeI

Certainly seems like Labor Day parties/gatherings didn't have much of an impact, though lifting restrictions and going into phase 3 will have more of an impact.

Also returning to in person school didn't cause the explosion in cases that many expected

 

[Piebald]

I've seen 3 different people say the parks are now becoming too crowded. 2 of these basically walked around and left. For a while Universal was very busy and Disney was manageable but it seems like now Disney is getting busy. Any reports of this?

 

[Rteetz]

I've seen 3 different people say the parks are now becoming too crowded. 2 of these basically walked around and left. For a while Universal was very busy and Disney was manageable but it seems like now Disney is getting busy. Any reports of this?

The parks are busier no doubt. They aren't packed. They aren't at pre-covid levels. More people are definitely coming though. With less people eating things for people to do the parks appear busy.

 

[GoofGoof]

The parks are busier no doubt. They aren't packed. They aren't at pre-covid levels. More people are definitely coming though. With less people eating things for people to do the parks appear busy.

I haven‘t been back yet, but from the reports I’ve read the weekends definitely seem more crowded and mid-week less so. Not sure if that’s still true.

 

[techgeek]

There are plenty of other diseases that have the same or higher mortality rate that nobody ever does much of anything to "hide from."

With respect, I do and have done many other things in order to 'hide from' other infectious disease prior to Covid. Many of these things are accepted and normal parts of our day to day lives and have been for our entire lifetimes. Flu shots, vaccines and boosters for viruses that have been or are still common enough to warrant (especially while traveling internationally), STD prevention in various methods, insect spray to guard against mosquito-born disease, treating and protecting house / property / pets for vermin and insect control eliminating disease vectors... the list goes on and on.

In 10-15 years, Covid will be largely a memory (hopefully), but there will still likely be societal adaptations that may live on. Hesitance to shake hands in social situations. More visible cleaning and sanitizing of public shared surfaces. Continued mask usage in healthcare environments and among at-risk populations. Maybe even health screenings for participation in larger venues like theme parks and concerts, as we have already had industry insiders clue us into the reality that such things may well become a new normal just like TSA screenings at the airport.

 

[JoeCamel]

Mmmmmm

COVID-19 in Tampa Bay schools: a weekly update

Fourth in a series. Newsome High sees double-digit numbers.

www.tampabay.com

Tracking the Coronavirus at U.S. Colleges and Universities (Published 2021)

College campuses, like the rest of the country, are enduring a coronavirus surge.

www.nytimes.com

 

[DisneyDebRob]

View attachment 501394

Mmmmmm

COVID-19 in Tampa Bay schools: a weekly update

Fourth in a series. Newsome High sees double-digit numbers.

www.tampabay.com

Tracking the Coronavirus at U.S. Colleges and Universities (Published 2021)

College campuses, like the rest of the country, are enduring a coronavirus surge.

www.nytimes.com

Fake news.

All kidding aside, I think a lot of people don’t even see these numbers, or care about them unless it’s making headline news. Or a city or town has closed everything. It’s gotten to that point. Some schools seem to be doing pretty good with others closing and going virtual although they had different plans when the kids got there.

 

[Polkadotdress]

For people under 65, if you aren't morbidly obese or have diabetes you don't really need to worry that you will die if you get COVID.

It’s not “just” those 2 risk factors. Rather, there are quite a few more. From the CDC website:



People of any age with the following conditions are at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19:

• Cancer
• Chronic kidney disease
• COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
• Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from solid organ transplant
• Obesity (body mass index [BMI] of 30 or higher)
• Serious heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies
• Sickle cell disease
• Type 2 diabetes mellitus
• 
  
• Based on what we know at this time, people with the following conditions might be at an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19:
  • Asthma (moderate-to-severe)
  • Cerebrovascular disease (affects blood vessels and blood supply to the brain)
  • Cystic fibrosis
  • Hypertension or high blood pressure
  • Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from blood or bone marrow transplant, immune deficiencies, HIV, use of corticosteroids, or use of other immune weakening medicines
  • Neurologic conditions, such as dementia
  • Liver disease
  • Pregnancy
  • Pulmonary fibrosis (having damaged or scarred lung tissues)
  • Smoking
  • Thalassemia (a type of blood disorder)
  • Type 1 diabetes mellitus

So really, we need to stop shrugging and saying “Meh”. As I think of my friends, family, and co-workers, I can attach many of these risk factors to them.

 

[crawale]

I've seen 3 different people say the parks are now becoming too crowded. 2 of these basically walked around and left. For a while Universal was very busy and Disney was manageable but it seems like now Disney is getting busy. Any reports of this?

Just returned from a 9 day trip. Hollywood Studios was horrible. 90 minute wait for Mickey/Minnie Railroad in the hot hot sun - no shade. Toy Story Land very crowded - no shade, hot, hot and wet masks. Managed to get to ride RofR but it broke down so we had to walk off.
In all Parks - many shops were closed, restaurants very limited menus. Epcot is insane with barriers to stop you taking a short cut between Land and Test Track sides of Park. You are forced to walk much further - again hot and with masks on at all times. We stayed at the Boardwalk and to get to HS you must either walk - hot, hot, no shade and become exhausted before you arrive or walk to Epcot and ride SkyLiner as there is no boat transport.
Staff have totally forgotten 'Disney type' service and are rude and officious. I have bi lateral knee replacements and the driver refused to let me ride at the front of the bus - forced to get up the stairs into the back - bus was not full by the way.
Disney have overdone the 'safety' - announce measures every 5 minutes until you are sick of them. Then when an announcement is made that might be important it is through a mask and so muffled you have no idea what is being said.
I live in Florida and we do not have the restrictions that Disney is imposing. I have never spent a more unpleasant vacation in my life.

 

[crawale]

The parks are busier no doubt. They aren't packed. They aren't at pre-covid levels. More people are definitely coming though. With less people eating things for people to do the parks appear busy.

Have been coming at least every year for the past 35 years. HS was the most crowded I have ever seen it. Most shops are closed so you can't pop in to get relief from the crowds and heat. Miserable.

 

[Snayberry]

I'm about to go this Wed- Sat and staying at the Swan. I haven't been since the pandemic started. I hope it's not too bad, Friday will basically be the only weekend day I'm there and I'll be at Epcot that day. Either doing MK or AK on Wed, then HS on Thursday. Lets see how this goes.

 

[Lilofan]

I'm about to go this Wed- Sat and staying at the Swan. I haven't been since the pandemic started. I hope it's not too bad, Friday will basically be the only weekend day I'm there and I'll be at Epcot that day. Either doing MK or AK on Wed, then HS on Thursday. Lets see how this goes.

Swan and Dolphin big layoff of staff of 1K and more are in a few weeks. Enjoy the Swan hotel while it's still operating!

 

[Chi84]

Just returned from a 9 day trip. Hollywood Studios was horrible. 90 minute wait for Mickey/Minnie Railroad in the hot hot sun - no shade. Toy Story Land very crowded - no shade, hot, hot and wet masks. Managed to get to ride RofR but it broke down so we had to walk off.
In all Parks - many shops were closed, restaurants very limited menus. Epcot is insane with barriers to stop you taking a short cut between Land and Test Track sides of Park. You are forced to walk much further - again hot and with masks on at all times. We stayed at the Boardwalk and to get to HS you must either walk - hot, hot, no shade and become exhausted before you arrive or walk to Epcot and ride SkyLiner as there is no boat transport.
Staff have totally forgotten 'Disney type' service and are rude and officious. I have bi lateral knee replacements and the driver refused to let me ride at the front of the bus - forced to get up the stairs into the back - bus was not full by the way.
Disney have overdone the 'safety' - announce measures every 5 minutes until you are sick of them. Then when an announcement is made that might be important it is through a mask and so muffled you have no idea what is being said.
I live in Florida and we do not have the restrictions that Disney is imposing. I have never spent a more unpleasant vacation in my life.

Don't you know that masks are "no problem?"

Seriously, thanks for your perspective - it's why I don't see us visiting until the mask requirement is either removed or relaxed somewhat to make it more palatable. My most fervent desire is that people would respect the protocols now in place so we can reach the point where these restrictions are no longer required.

 

[Snayberry]

Swan and Dolphin big layoff of staff of 1K and more are in a few weeks. Enjoy the Swan hotel while it's still operating!

RIP, well I'll most certainly make the best of it. Since I'm doing HS Thursday and Epcot Friday, should I do MK or AK on Wed?

 

[JoeCamel]

RIP, well I'll most certainly make the best of it. Since I'm doing HS Thursday and Epcot Friday, should I do MK or AK on Wed?

The weather is supposed to be very nice (for Florida) Friday and Saturday, be some relief from humidity, still hot but much more manageable