On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

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DisneyJoe

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UNCgolf said:
I can definitely see them putting more shows on Disney+. But they didn't charge extra for Hamilton, and that's one of the biggest Broadway shows of all time. Seems like that would have been the place to float an extra payment for a stage show.

Of course, charging for the newest Pixar movie would have made more sense than charging for Mulan, so those were likely just attempts to get more subscribers to boost numbers while the parks were shut down.
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IMO, the reason that they didn't charge for Hamilton was it was used as a "carrot" to get new subscribers for Disney+; I lost count of how many people I had to tell that they needed to get a Disney+ subscription just to see Hamilton - or find a friend or relative that already had it.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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Brer Oswald said:
Uncle Walt wasn’t a completely fictitious entity. It was a completely filtered version of himself, but still a side to him that was very real. People like to give him too much credit as an “actor”.
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You have a certain nostalgic curiosity about Mr. Walt Disney...I like that but I think your opinion will change over time.

But I appreciate anyone that likes to learn through research and analysis. It’s nice to see some brains at work.
el_super said:
Maybe. Maybe not. But WDP still ended up paying him $60 million dollars for the "Uncle Walt" IP.
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Yeah...but most of the real money ended up with his wife and kids.
 
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michmousefan

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Phil12 said:
Poor Bob comes across on camera like a wet dishrag. He just can't sell the product. Now let's hope that a brave someone in TWDC confronts Bob and tells him that his on camera personality sucks. Given the proper acting lessons and guidance, they can make him look good or even great!

They did it for Walt and I'm sure they can do it for Bob.
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Watching Chapek make those presentations at D23 was just brutal. He came across as someone who was reading the copy on the prompters for the first (perhaps second) time, and either had no rehearsal, or worse — ignored the feedback from his minions if there was a rehearsal. He needs to give his ego a rest and get some serious presentation coaching and training. The CEO of the Disney corporation should at least aim to measure up to the standards of the company's products.
 
MisterPenguin

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Father Robinson said:
My question is, they can still justify re-skinning Splash Mountain (from a financial standpoint)?
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Right now? No. It would be fiscally irresponsible to take on a new project without knowing how long the current situation is.

But once the current situation ends, there is no financial reason not to go ahead with a project they announced. It just means other projects that haven't been announced yet drop back in the queue.

So, before there's a replacement for SGE, Primeval Whirl, JII, the DHS 'black box', etc... Then the SM revamp will take place.
 
rreading

rreading

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Askimosita said:
I would argue, though, that—at least the way it presented itself—that it was mainly in the name of innovation. Sure, I’m sure one wants to be wealthy. But there were MANY other things he could have done that weren’t so risky. He was a storyteller first and business man second. There were multiple times that he lost it all or gambled it all in the name of pushing the envelope in animation or his parks. He went bankrupt trying something new early on in Kansas City and he took money against his life insurance to fund the parks when banks said no to loans. He was personally sacrificing his finances For something he believed in, and sometimes, it just didn’t work. Plus, it was Roy that was the money guy; Walt just did his thing and Roy had to cover logistics. Not saying he wasn’t involved at all (of course not) but Walt was a visionary that wanted that creative execution, even if it meant figuring out a lot of new ways to do things. In my opinion of reading biographies and watching documentaries at least.

With Iger at least, it seems that it is less creative and more “easy and quick”. Rather than putting in the effort to launch into brands similar to Star Wars, why not just throw some money at it to acquire it? Same with marvel, etc.
and for rides, why come up with unique and in-park-only IP when you can just use stories and characters already used and invested in? Just slap those characters on an existing ride. It saves money while bringing something new.

So in summary, under Iger it seemed more like a blatant and easier money grab with everything because of so many corners so obviously cut on the way to $$$, at the sacrifice of quality and storytelling. I don’t feel that was the case with Walt; if he had to play it safe and cut corners, we wouldn’t have this company. No Mickey, no Snow White, no theme parks. While there were some questionable moments where he clearly was wearing the same CEO pants as Iger, I truly feel He just was lucky that the decisions and innovation led to the $$$.
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Clearly we love what Disney has been and (at least for me) continues to be. The history of Disney productions seem to have involved few new content. Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Pinocchio et al were all groundbreaking productions of tried-and-true stories. Winnie the Pooh is a direct-to-animation port of the content drawn in the books with some excellent music and narration. Generally not until the 90s with Lion King did they really get something truly original and great produced (maybe Aristocats and Lady and the Tramp were more novel?)

But as much as Iger has been labeled as "lazy" for acquiring SW and Marvel, it's not like producing SW content has been easy. If anything, their movies which were generally well regarded as quality movies by the critics (TFA and TLJ) were met with disdain by the SW fanbase. Solo was well done with good critic reviews but lost money for the company. Marvel has had more true canon to work with and has been more successful with their storylines but I would not give Iger credit for this either, fwiw

My point would be that Iger made some slam-dunk acquisitions that anyone in the industry would have made could they have. It's added to an amazing portfolio of product that TWDC has created and acquired along the way. I would not call this "lazy" in any respect.

In retrospect, I'll be astounded if we feel like Iger did anything but an amazing job for TWDC. I'm hoping that Chapek continues to keep the ship on the right course through this difficult time
 
Mac Tonight

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rreading said:
Clearly we love what Disney has been and (at least for me) continues to be. The history of Disney productions seem to have involved few new content. Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Pinocchio et al were all groundbreaking productions of tried-and-true stories. Winnie the Pooh is a direct-to-animation port of the content drawn in the books with some excellent music and narration. Generally not until the 90s with Lion King did they really get something truly original and great produced (maybe Aristocats and Lady and the Tramp were more novel?)

But as much as Iger has been labeled as "lazy" for acquiring SW and Marvel, it's not like producing SW content has been easy. If anything, their movies which were generally well regarded as quality movies by the critics (TFA and TLJ) were met with disdain by the SW fanbase. Solo was well done with good critic reviews but lost money for the company. Marvel has had more true canon to work with and has been more successful with their storylines but I would not give Iger credit for this either, fwiw

My point would be that Iger made some slam-dunk acquisitions that anyone in the industry would have made could they have. It's added to an amazing portfolio of product that TWDC has created and acquired along the way. I would not call this "lazy" in any respect.

In retrospect, I'll be astounded if we feel like Iger did anything but an amazing job for TWDC. I'm hoping that Chapek continues to keep the ship on the right course through this difficult time
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IMO, Iger has run the company like the rich divorced Dad, trying to appease his kids by buying them all the new expensive toys their Mother didn't think they needed. And when the parents get in a fight about it, all the Dad can say is, "What? At least the kid is happy!"

From a purely business standpoint, Iger has been no slouch, and turned a teetering company into one of the biggest global media conglomerations that has ever existed. But for me and my money, none of those words describe the "Disney" I know and love.
 
rreading

rreading

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Mac Tonight said:
IMO, Iger has run the company like the rich divorced Dad, trying to appease his kids by buying them all the new expensive toys their Mother didn't think they needed. And when the parents get in a fight about it, all the Dad can say is, "What? At least the kid is happy!"

From a purely business standpoint, Iger has been no slouch, and turned a teetering company into one of the biggest global media conglomerations that has ever existed. But for me and my money, none of those words describe the "Disney" I know and love.
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We all have our opinions. That's what a message board is for ;)
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Mac Tonight said:
IMO, Iger has run the company like the rich divorced Dad, trying to appease his kids by buying them all the new expensive toys their Mother didn't think they needed. And when the parents get in a fight about it, all the Dad can say is, "What? At least the kid is happy!"

From a purely business standpoint, Iger has been no slouch, and turned a teetering company into one of the biggest global media conglomerations that has ever existed. But for me and my money, none of those words describe the "Disney" I know and love.
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The Walt Disney Company was already a global conglomerate in 2005.
 
rreading

rreading

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flynnibus said:
I think it's safe to label that the new Disney is more 'flexible' in their brand identity association than they were in the past. While Disney was a conglomerate, they would still be very selective in what fit the corporate image. Now.... not so much.
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Honestly, that started way back with Touchstone who created Pretty Woman. More recently, Pixar expanded the scope of the animation produced by the company
 
Brer Oswald

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
You have a certain nostalgic curiosity about Mr. Walt Disney...I like that but I think your opinion will change over time.

But I appreciate anyone that likes to learn through research and analysis. It’s nice to see some brains at work.

Yeah...but most of the real money ended up with his wife and kids.
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My full views have shifted a bit, but I’ve done enough research to say my opinion is rather firm and locked in.

I’m a very very flawed person in my own right, and many of my flaws are caused by significant experiences in my life. I try to inquire about the life experiences of others in order to understand their flaws.
 
hopemax

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Castmbr said:
The BlockOut calendar for Cast shows that Self Admission is blocked from Aug 3 - Oct 31
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FYI, self-admission block outs have been lifted at AK, MK and Epcot thru Thursday. CM's can now check for reservations. So while not a fully, rolling week in advance yet, CMs should get in the habit of checking to see if the next week has opened up, if they are wanting to go. Not sure how much impact it will have as long as sign-ins are still blocked. Full-timers would want to bring their families, I imagine.
 
Mac Tonight

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rreading said:
Which (apart from some of the Fox stuff) is amazing! What a company!
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Moka

Moka

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Did we all see they officially announced shorter hours or am I late? Animal Kingdom has returned to 5PM park! Yippee!

(UPDATE: Animal Kingdom will open at 9am, NOT 8am like I had previously had on this post.)

For those too lazy to look themselves:
  • Magic Kingdom – 9am to 6pm (previously closed at 7pm)
  • EPCOT – 11am to 7pm (previously closed at 9pm)
  • Disney’s Hollywood Studios – 10am to 7pm (previously closed at 8pm)
  • Disney’s Animal Kingdom – 9am to 5pm (previously closed at 6pm)

Shorter hours listed here.
 
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davis_unoxx

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WDW Pro said:
It's not decided, but 11-7 has been discussed.



You're missing the cascading effects that will occur if A) vaccines aren't successful in the next 12 months or B) the virus mutates. In those significantly possible scenarios (God help us), Disney could be forced into either crippling debt or selling significant assets. Additionally, if the film industry is unable to resume soon, Disney+ will quickly become a significant liability.



Remember I said that was the most dire situation, not an expected outcome. In that scenario where attendance continues to crater while the disease numbers and deaths rise greatly, they could potentially move DVC to WL to alleviate some issues.



September/October
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Wow you were spot on, park hours at all parks have been shortened with epcot going to 11-7
 

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