On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

CastAStone

5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
Define profitable. Like, Net Income profitable? That’s hard to believe. But Gross Margin profitable, like they’re losing less money open than closed? That’s pretty easy to believe.
One other thought - if the resort is breaking even, despite too many hotels open, too many buses running, too many F&Bs open, too many merch stations open, and too many ops CMs working (and honestly too many parks open at once on the weekdays), imagine what it will be doing when they “optimize”.

Disney didn’t know what to expect. Now they do and they can scale staffing and operations appropriately.
 

techgeek

Well-Known Member
Disney didn’t know what to expect. Now they do and they can scale staffing and operations appropriately.

This is a company that only knows how to operate with 5 levels of management and by using seemingly unlimited numbers of cast members as traffic cones. I’m not convinced they know how to scale any further then they already have and maintain health protocols.
 

peter11435

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I see what the confusion is.

I never said Skipper was "in on it." I also never said that his cocaine habit was fiction. I said there was a reason WHY his cocaine habit came to light when it did.

Do you honestly think he had a decades-long cocaine addiction and Bob Iger didn't know about it until December 2017?
So why not bring the habit to light before you sign him on a new contract?
 

CAV

Well-Known Member
Here’s the difference: You don’t have to wear a damn mask when you go to a waterpark. The masks are the single most annoying thing that people absolutely hate for their vacations. If you get rid of the mask requirements when you are outside, everyone will come back fairly quickly. That’s why the national parks are doing such amazing numbers this year. That’s why water parks are doing well. No masks when outside.
Exactly. We live just over an hour away. AP holders. At least once a month visitors. As long as a mask is required , we aren't going. We have Beach Club ressies at the end of September. If the mask is still required, we will cancel.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Perhaps anecdotally, as an international traveler, closed parks are definitely worse than photos with pathetic crowd numbers. Even the appearance of things running normally goes a long way.

The second the mask restrictions are lifted (no objection to them at all, I'm just a pasty Northern Irish guy who sweats a lot in the humid heat in Orlando) and the nighttime entertainment returns I'll weigh up whether or not a trip to theme parks are worth it.
I can see that as a comfort.

But to many of us statesiders...it’s just “eerie” to see the videos and pictures of empty parks with a general sense of awkward.
Define profitable. Like, Net Income profitable? That’s hard to believe. But Gross Margin profitable, like they’re losing less money open than closed? That’s pretty easy to believe.
Now here I can agree...not “wrong”...merely misleading.
 

GSP Guy

Well-Known Member
Here’s the difference: You don’t have to wear a damn mask when you go to a waterpark. The masks are the single most annoying thing that people absolutely hate for their vacations. If you get rid of the mask requirements when you are outside, everyone will come back fairly quickly. That’s why the national parks are doing such amazing numbers this year. That’s why water parks are doing well. No masks when outside.
This right here! I have no desire to put my personal or business life on this forum but for the sake of this conversation I'll share some tidbits. My business is 100% tourist dependent. It's located in Florida and is an outdoor activity and absolutely no masks. From the second week of May to present visits to my website are up over 550% from previous years. Normally handle 12-15 calls a day. During this timeframe we are receiving 40-50. Now the last week of March, the entire month of April, and the first week of May were wrecked by travel restrictions to be clear. Also the calls for the fall season are through the roof. Just food for thought.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Exactly. We live just over an hour away. AP holders. At least once a month visitors. As long as a mask is required , we aren't going. We have Beach Club ressies at the end of September. If the mask is still required, we will cancel.
407-wdisney is standing by to help you with that☹️
So... this means the Splash overhaul is getting canned, eh?

Sadly...I think that’s set in stone. There was a great analysis of this that took into account PR and brand loyalty that really made the case for it in the original thread about the announcement.
 

mikejs78

Well-Known Member
Exactly. We live just over an hour away. AP holders. At least once a month visitors. As long as a mask is required , we aren't going. We have Beach Club ressies at the end of September. If the mask is still required, we will cancel.
Since we're dealing in anecdotal evidence, I know multiple people who canceled trips, not because they had to wear a mask, but because their states required a 14-day quarantine after visiting any hot spot state. it's that fact that's keeping tourism down to the levels that they are, not the fact that everyone has to wear flipping mask. I'm sure the mask had something to do with it for some people, but it's not by any means the only reason.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
This right here! I have no desire to put my personal or business life on this forum but for the sake of this conversation I'll share some tidbits. My business is 100% tourist dependent. It's located in Florida and is an outdoor activity and absolutely no masks. From the second week of May to present visits to my website are up over 550% from previous years. Normally handle 12-15 calls a day. During this timeframe we are receiving 40-50. Now the last week of March, the entire month of April, and the first week of May were wrecked by travel restrictions to be clear. Also the calls for the fall season are through the roof. Just food for thought.
My “thought” is if the yutz at the top had just shut up and gotten inline from the start...you’d be a lot closer to normalcy right now.

(You’re not the “yutz”...to be clear)
 

Piebald

Well-Known Member
I was surprised to see so many higher risk people at the parks. Elderly people, morbidly obese people, etc. At least they all wore masks, I guess. IMO the mask thing is a nonissue. It's so hot right now I didnt feel any more miserable than if I didnt have a mask on. It's just so hot right now that I didnt even realize I had it on.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I was surprised to see so many higher risk people at the parks. Elderly people, morbidly obese people, etc. At least they all wore masks, I guess. IMO the mask thing is a nonissue. It's so hot right now I didnt feel any more miserable than if I didnt have a mask on. It's just so hot right now that I didnt even realize I had it on.
..:I noticed this too...

But shhhhhhh! 🤫...many don’t necessarily consider this “at risk”
 

disneyflush

Well-Known Member
People should stop looking at the current crisis through the lens of 'if they can get through this temporary lull because of COVID they'll be back to the 'before times'.' The absolute best-case scenario is that things return to normal and COVID gets a therapeutic that addresses the virus and ends it if caught. Are the odds like 5% of that happening? Feels like people are assuming like 95% probability of that happening which isn't realistic. There are a ton of varying scenarios ranging from worst-case all the way up to best-case where things are definitely not returning to non-mask, no restrictions, no attendance caps, etc. A fix would certainly be to lower the rack rate on rooms but DVC can't allow that to happen because the math behind the new contracts and contracts of the last few years would instantly break the sales pitch and upset your member base. The bending they've done to push food prices, room prices, ticket prices through the roof for 15 years puts them in a situation they likely won't surrender from anytime soon.
 

GSP Guy

Well-Known Member
My “thought” is if the yutz at the top had just shut up and gotten inline from the start...you’d be a lot closer to normalcy right now.

(You’re not the “yutz”...to be clear)
I absolutely would be having a normal year. You are 100% correct. Which would be just fine with me as I've been in the game a while and I'm well established thankfully. I believe the masks requirement and other restrictions at other tourists destinations such as Disney has turned much of those vacationers to people like myself. That's all I was really trying to add to the conversation.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I once owned a tundra...you could flip that think over and it would still run.

That being said, Ford trucks are the best selling over 40 years for a reason. I have several with over 200,000 miles.
Trucks are a different animal.

But to be fair...the quality of gm and ford in their cars has risen substantially since the awful end of the 20th century. Much better now.

I mean...I’m still getting a Toyota or a Honda next month...but still.

Dodge still sucks
 

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