Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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Club Cooloholic

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You think so? Aunt Polly's just reopened recently, two years ago to now before the Covid closure happened to operate seasonally where it never had before. It was crowded, barrel bridge was open and kids were loving it. It has a low cost to operate and maintain. There are Photopass people there as well. There is a reason it is reopening with the first line up phase. It is only going to be more popular when everyhting indoors has a virtual queue roam to wait.
All joking aside, the first thought "I" had, was they move the Belle over to splash mountain side, dock it permanently and use it for shows or a restaurant...and then re do the Island and other areas there for expansion.
I guess having seen what they did at DL by comparison, yes I think the island is very neglected. The treehouse and the fort have been closed for as long as I can remember. Its' good to hear Polly's was going to be open again, those sad little vending machines were not cutting it.
 

celluloid

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Yeah. I just said the same thing. I ate at Aunt Polly's in Dec. Love it there. I also love the barrel bridge... exploring the cool dark caves, going up in Fort Langhorn - really being like a kid again. Plus, you can get some great photos of BTMR from TSI.

I am not making this joke for an argument. When we went the last two times with my then four year old to MK, his favorite thing was Tom Sawyer's Island. The caverns are trippy and great still to this day.
 

celluloid

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I guess having seen what they did at DL by comparison, yes I think the island is very neglected. The treehouse and the fort have been closed for as long as I can remember. Its' good to hear Polly's was going to be open again, those sad little vending machines were not cutting it.

The playground, windmills, barrel bridge and fort were all open the last visit I had pre covid19.
 

brb1006

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Disney doesn't create rides like Splash Mtn anymore. This style of E ticket ride are from a bygone era that kicked off in 1967 with Pirates of the Caribbean and finally ended in 2001 with Tokyo's Sinbad. That isn't to say there haven't been other really good Disney rides since. Radiator Springs Racers, Pooh's Hunny Hunt and Mystic Manor are technically impressive ride systems with some nice scenes. And the single mine scene from 7DMT feels like it would be at home within a larger Splash Mtn caliber ride. But there's still nothing that truly matches the E tickets such as POTC, Horizons, SSE, World of Motion, Great Movie Ride, Splash Mtn etc etc. These rides were all notable for their numerous sets of rich densely detailed physical scenery and artistry as well as huge armies of well articulated animatronics. Video elements being kept to a minimum and supplemental role while the physical parts were front and center. They were also lengthy, 10 minutes at least, some 15 or even 20 minutes. At least PATF is likely to retain Splash's length.

My gravest concern is that the ride will be gutted and left as a literal hollow shell of its former self. I fear the imagineers (both lacking the necessary budget/resources AND possibly the creative/artistic talent) will be unable to replicate anything close to the same level of dense physical detail seen in Splash Mtn. I fear that significant amounts of physical scenery will be removed, leaving largely bare walls used for video projection. I also fear most if not all of the current animatronics will be removed and possibly scrapped. Reason being that their proportions are simultaneously too anthropomorphic for most of the movie's animal designs, but also not the right proportions for human characters either. It's also extremely unlikely they will fabricate new AA figures at a similar quantity to the ones being removed. Besides Louis, most animal figures will probably be small non-AA's and only use limited simple motion (or stationary) ala Little Mermaid's figures. There will probably be a couple of new decent human AA's, though likely very sparse in quantity and possibly utilizing the trendy (and more often than not, clumsy and poorly executed) facial projections seen in Frozenstrom. Though the B&TB ride in Tokyo uses physical articulated faces at least, so we'll see. Don't have high hopes for the story or its logic either.
Those points are a huge reason why a ton of use are very upset with this news. Splash Mountain alongside Pirates are the last attractions that were AA heavy and Marc Davis was involved in both projects.
 

GeneralZod

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But again, no one here has ever called anyone racist. And most (from what I can recall) have all said they enjoy and have fond memories of the ride. It’s sad to me that the extremists on this thread can not understand that there level-headed, mature adults here who enjoyed the ride but also believe it’s the right decision to change it. Enough already.
People are tired of being labeled an -ist (just as you did) because they stand up against childish woke culture.
 

orlandogal22

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I am not making this joke for an argument. When we went the last two times with my then four year old to MK, his favorite thing was Tom Sawyer's Island. The caverns are trippy and great still to this day.

What joke or argument? I must need more coffee. 😂

But yeah, I agree. Love them. And one of my fondest first memories of MK is the rowing in the Davy Crockett canoes over to TSI.
 
If you guys feel “worthless” over this change, imagine how worthless Black people feel when they visit the parks and have to deal with the fact that there’s never any representation for them on the attractions. I love Disney, but I’ve felt worthless when it comes to their parks my entire life.

Tiana did not become a princess until I was 14, so as a little girl, I was meeting all of these princesses who did not look like me, not even feeling good enough.

You guys will be totally fine.
 

Club Cooloholic

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When I make those comments. I’m not talking about you. There are tons of people for the change that are speaking level headed. There are also a bunch who are making people feel bad for being against the change. The fact that you are pulling the “get help” card, when I said nothing to warrant it is pretty lame of you, but I’ll give you the pass this time.
Brer, I was actually pretty worried about you too. Not for nothing but, if you don't want people to worry about you and suggest you get some help, don't post things feeling suicidal everyday. Its not something to take lightly. We are a community in here, like a family we don't always see eye to eye, but we don't want to see anyone hurting.
 

_caleb

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You missed my point.

My point was people cherry-pick what they want to be offended by. I'd be on Disney FB pages where people would argue SeaWorld was basically the devil but then completely excuse Disney for having dolphins and other sea creatures in captivity... because, well, it's Disney.

And due to them being Disney fans, it was a bit more inconvenient for them to cancel Disney, to protest Disney, to never go to Disney again - any of the parks - for doing the exact same thing. It was much easier to bash SeaWorld, the smaller of the two.

I should also reference - do you know how Disney acquired their original dolphins? Look it up. It ain't pretty.

Again, point being - people cherrypick what is often the easiest thing at the time to go after. In the context of the conversation last night / early morning, that's all I was referring to.
I understood your point. I see what you mean about selective outrage and hypocrisy with what people support.

My point was that the unpredictable nature of these moral reactions are what might be motivating Disney to take action now in order to avoid a SeaWorld situation.
 

Brer Oswald

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Brer, I was actually pretty worried about you too. Not for nothing but, if you don't want people to worry about you and suggest you get some help, don't post things feeling suicidal everyday. Its not something to take lightly. We are a community in here, like a family we don't always see eye to eye, but we don't want to see anyone hurting.
Ah I understand. Sometimes it seems rather insincere. I don’t know what getting help would really do. But I appreciate the concern.
 

Club Cooloholic

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The playground, windmills, barrel bridge and fort were all open the last visit I had pre covid19.
That's really good news. Seriously we had gone for several years, always stopped by and they were shut down. Would be great if they worked in a few more things like they did in DL, but this is a nice thing to hear and happily for me to be corrected on.
 

Bill in Atlanta

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thinking evolves though, thus the point of being progressive.
Thinking does evolve, but the biggest mistake I see progressives consistently make is assuming that a new idea is good just because it's new. (Traditionalists often make the opposite mistake - assuming a new idea is bad just because it's new)

As far as Splash Mountain, I really wish companies would stop caving to these tiny groups of online complainers. I would be shocked if anyone was ever genuinely offended by anything in Splash Mountain. Woodsy animals are about as benign as you can get.
 

orlandogal22

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I understood your point. I see what you mean about selective outrage and hypocrisy with what people support.

My point was that the unpredictable nature of these moral reactions are what might be motivating Disney to take action now in order to avoid a SeaWorld situation.

I understand. Yet there will be a next time and a new target. It always happens.

(though, I still don't think anything will rise to the SW "level" with Disney; my point last night was more in the context of what was being discussed then)
 

bryanfze55

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Oh, you want to use examples of who and what was considered progressive 80 years ago and that it what, must stay static and never evolve? Sorry but that would conservative not progressive. Allowing two people that aren't married to share a hotel room was at one point a "progressive" way of thinking, thinking evolves though, thus the point of being progressive.

If you define “progressivism” as progress in the direction that history judges in the more positive light... you can never be wrong. Nice hedge.

I don’t believe in using the terms conservative/liberal in a political sense but rather a philosophical one. I think they need to go hand in hand. I believe in conserving our liberal foundation. We are a liberal country, and I am a liberal. That foundation should and has been extended to all Americans - that’s progress - but the foundation itself should not change. However, too many “progressives”, of which exist on the right and left, are willing and eager to tear at the foundation.

You can call yourself whatever you want.
 

Chris767

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Honestly I would be very happy if they could leave all the animals, maybe slightly reskin their clothing, reskin Brer Bear to Louie, put Tiana AA’s in place of the Brer Rabbits, and only use projections heavily really in the laughing place scene to simulate Dr. Faciliers Lair, but still keep those AA’s as spirits

Oh and if projections are wanted, just add fireflies with them, but I feel like all the AA animals could stay hopefully
 

SteamboatJoe

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If you guys feel “worthless” over this change, imagine how worthless Black people feel when they visit the parks and have to deal with the fact that there’s never any representation for them on the attractions. I love Disney, but I’ve felt worthless when it comes to their parks my entire life.

Tiana did not become a princess until I was 14, so as a little girl, I was meeting all of these princesses who did not look like me, not even feeling good enough.

You guys will be totally fine.

You are assuming those of us that are sad about the change think that what Tiana represents isn't important. That isn't the case, at least not for me. I welcome a PATF attraction into the parks but mourn the loss of an attraction I love. I wish there was a respectful way we could've gotten both.
 

21stamps

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You think so? Aunt Polly's just reopened recently, two years ago to now before the Covid closure happened to operate seasonally where it never had before. It was crowded, barrel bridge was open and kids were loving it. It has a low cost to operate and maintain. There are Photopass people there as well. There is a reason it is reopening with the first line up phase. It is only going to be more popular when everyhting indoors has a virtual queue roam to wait.
This Splash Mountain thing makes me feel like TSI is definitely not long for this world.
Yeah. I just said the same thing. I ate at Aunt Polly's in Dec. Love it there. I also love the barrel bridge... exploring the cool dark caves, going up in Fort Langhorn - really being like a kid again. Plus, you can get some great photos of BTMR from TSI.

We love TSI and the Treehouse too. I have great memories on both as a kid, and then later with my own family. Some simplicity is still needed in life, and at Disney parks, imo.

@SteamboatJoe , that’s what I feel like. All of the drama and uproar over Mark Twain and Huck in the past, how long before someone decides that Tom Sawyer’s Island is offensive too... and even if not, will it even make sense in a new looking Frontierland.

Anyway, my biggest problem with this decision (other than nostalgia) is that Frontierland reminded me so much of the Disney of my youth.. back when princess movies weren’t the bulk of what they put out.
I don’t want a princess in every land.
 
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