Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[IanDLBZF]

I just got a robocall from ncl saying now is the perfect time to book a Caribbean cruise with 70% of sailings and up to $200 obc on last minute sailing in the next 2 weeks lol

That may be a phishing expedition, you know.

 

[Figments Friend]

This thread is aggressively moving.

Are there any sources on current refund management? I know this just occurred this hour.

Tickets with set park dates, hotel bookings, partner hotel bookings?

I know someone who was supposed to start a week long trip to WDW next week.
He booked through Disney, and booked a room only package.
He didn't yet buy his Park tickets.

Earlier today he received a email from Disney stating their intent to refund all monies paid for cancelled bookings and offered help in rebooking at a later date.
He will likely just cancel and then rethink a possible visit later in the year.

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[disney4life2008]

Some articles are claiming that Springs are still open, any truth to this?

All shopping areas are open at all Disney parks in Paris and USA.

 

[IanDLBZF]

This just in - Universal Orlando Resort has followed suit.

"Out of an abundance of caution and to assist with our nation’s preventive efforts, Universal Orlando Resort will temporarily close its theme parks. The closure is effective at the close of business on Sunday, March 15. We anticipate remaining closed through the end of March – but will continue to evaluate the situation.
"Universal Orlando’s hotels and Universal CityWalk will remain open.
“We have created flexible programs for those guests who have booked travel packages or tickets with us. Guests can call this number for more information: 877-801-9720. A core group of team members will continue to work on site. Hourly team members will be paid for any work scheduled through the end of March."

 

[englanddg]

I think the timing is just right given the numbers. If the numbers are wrong (and they are), it’s ridiculous that we haven’t been testing people.

This is far more widespread and the situation far more perilous than we have been led to believe.

Wait til you’re forced to buy black market toilet paper from a man wearing a trench coat on Canal St...

Testing people gives you two things.

1) The proper top line
2) The proper bottom line

If we test more people, the case numbers go up, but the fatality percentages may (probably would?) go down.

If we don't test more people, the fatality percentages stay higher, but the case numbers are deflated which makes it appear worse than it really is.

I think we are seeing, honestly, mass hysteria. Is it serious? Yes. Is it more serious than previous outbreaks were (historically proven) and is the internet helping? No.

 

[Jwink]

It only says cast members will be paid… Does anyone know the particulars of who that includes? Does that include full-time part-time?

 

[Prince-1]

Why?

It is not a matter of if but when people infected with the Covid-19 virus will be in the 4 parks and most likely it already has happened. Being in close proximity with tens of thousands of people with many being older and some already with weaker immune systems is a recipe for disaster. The various health organizations (CDC, WHO) have said repeatedly that the best course of action is to stay away from large crowds and use proper guidelines for washing hands and sanitizing them. Disney would look absolutely negligent and possible liable if they stayed open and spewed some company line nonsense that they were doing everything to ensure the safety of their guests.

 

[GoofGoof]

Because keeping it open, if you can tie it to any level of contamination, creates a losing civil suit. Period.

This was a financial decision. It doesn't reflect the virus, or it's threat. It reflects our litigious society and how it creates reactions that are emotional when they shouldn't be.

Don't presume it was anything else.

Whatever the motivation it’s the right move. I know people are disappointed their vacations are postponed and CMs are worried about losing pay, but it’s for the greater good. Unfortunately there are some people who wouldn’t follow protocol and would show up sick.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I just got a robocall from ncl saying now is the perfect time to book a Caribbean cruise with 70% of sailings and up to $200 obc on last minute sailing in the next 2 weeks lol

Good old NCL.

Leaked Emails: Norwegian Pressures Sales Team to Mislead Potential Customers About Coronavirus

A Norwegian employee says some managers have asked the sales team to lie to customers about COVID-19 to protect the company's bookings.

www.miaminewtimes.com

 

[LukeS7]

I just got a robocall from ncl saying now is the perfect time to book a Caribbean cruise with 70% of sailings and up to $200 obc on last minute sailing in the next 2 weeks lol

NCL is really hurting. After years of constantly hovering around $50 per share, their stock has dropped 80% to $10 since the start of the outbreak

 

[LAKid53]

Don't be surprised to see the closure extend several months. That's what happened in Hong Kong, Tokyo, and Shanghai.

And we in the US are several days behind them in terms of testing and mitigation.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It has to do with our immune systems being more robust in the summer, less people staying confined in houses which in turn equals more personal space when outside...there's a bunch of reasons that are outlined pretty well in the article I linked.

You're overemphasizing that article's weasel hypotheses couched in weasel words: "may" "likely" "seems" "it is possible" "usually". T

That article then loses all its weaselness when talking about schools and human behavior (as opposed to the weather). The article then highlighted:

This leads us to the last point: Even seasonal infections can happen “out of season” when they are new.​

If we're talking just about respiratory viral contagions (and not animal-borne diseases like malaria), then the main vector is human behavior. And the behavior of throwing all our snot nosed kids into the same building is the prime cause. And the seasonal nature of schools, leads to the seasonal nature of viral respiratory illnesses.

Here's another part of that article:

In the winter humans spend more time indoors with less ventilation and less personal space than outdoors in the summer. In particular, schools are a site of much infectious disease transmission. School terms have been strongly identified as periods of higher transmission for respiratory viruses including those causing chicken pox, measles, and flu (here and here). The 2009 pandemic flu in the United States was very much decreased during the summer, and then came back rapidly in September. ​

Highlighted in red is pretty much all the evidence one needs. September is not a cold month. It is the time when schools reconvene.

There should be zero expectation that warm weather would slow transmission of CV19. If that were the case, Iran and Australia wouldn't be having as many cases as they have.

 

[IanDLBZF]

Universal has followed suit...
"Out of an abundance of caution and to assist with our nation’s preventive efforts, Universal Orlando Resort will temporarily close its theme parks. The closure is effective at the close of business on Sunday, March 15. We anticipate remaining closed through the end of March – but will continue to evaluate the situation.
"Universal Orlando’s hotels and Universal CityWalk will remain open.
“We have created flexible programs for those guests who have booked travel packages or tickets with us. Guests can call this number for more information: 877-801-9720. A core group of team members will continue to work on site. Hourly team members will be paid for any work scheduled through the end of March."

 

[surfsupdon]

Our Senior Trip begins March 30. We will see what happens.

 

[englanddg]

It is not a matter of if but when people infected with the Covid-19 virus will be in the 4 parks and most likely it already has happened. Being in close proximity with tens of thousands of people with many being older and some already with weaker immune systems is a recipe for disaster. The various health organizations (CDC, WHO) have said repeatedly that the best course of action is to stay away from large crowds and use proper guidelines for washing hands and sanitizing them. Disney would look absolutely negligent and possible liable if they stayed open and spewed some company line nonsense that they were doing everything to ensure the safety of their guests.

Exactly what you just said is what an attorney would say in a class action. And, exactly my point.

 

[LAKid53]

You're overemphasizing that article's weasel hypotheses couched in weasel words: "may" "likely" "seems" "it is possible" "usually". T

That article then loses all its weaselness when talking about schools and human behavior (as opposed to the weather). The article then highlighted:

This leads us to the last point: Even seasonal infections can happen “out of season” when they are new.​

If we're talking just about respiratory viral contagions (and not animal-borne diseases like malaria), then the main vector is human behavior. And the behavior of throwing all our snot nosed kids into the same building is the prime cause. And the seasonal nature of schools, leads to the seasonal nature of viral respiratory illnesses.

Here's another part of that article:

In the winter humans spend more time indoors with less ventilation and less personal space than outdoors in the summer. In particular, schools are a site of much infectious disease transmission. School terms have been strongly identified as periods of higher transmission for respiratory viruses including those causing chicken pox, measles, and flu (here and here). The 2009 pandemic flu in the United States was very much decreased during the summer, and then came back rapidly in September. ​

Highlighted in red is pretty much all the evidence one needs. September is not a cold month. It is the time when schools reconvene.

There should be zero expectation that warm weather would slow transmission of CV19. If that were the case, Iran and Australia wouldn't be having as many cases as they have.

I've said this before, kids are germ factories and putting hundreds of kids in confined spaces for 6 hours is a virus's dream.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Now what are we supposed to argue about?!

 

[LAKid53]

Our Senior Trip begins March 30. We will see what happens.

Fingers crossed it happens.

 

[MuteSuperstar]

I guess I'm a little puzzled as to why Springs would remain open. It's every bit as congested as the parks. I just think of the crowds and lines I endured at Ghirardelli some nights.

 

[IanDLBZF]

Our Senior Trip begins March 30. We will see what happens.

Many school districts across the country have suspended out of state field trips already.