DHS Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway confirmed

[Hawg G]

It’s worth noting the “engine” will be clearly visible and viewable at load.

It will be interesting to see if Disney starts putting high end AAs on trackless vehicles. It sounds like the dance studio has one. I've got to think they are not top tier, simply due to the AA moving, and you moving, and it simply not being a major focal point necessitating a top tier AA. Goofy is shown in the artwork as both leaning out the side, and talking out the back, so it sure looks like screens.

 

[glendroid]

Disney has still not really knocked a home run new tech E ticket in the US for decades. Yeah, FoP, it's Soarin with a new seat base and higher definition. As safe of a ride as they could have built with the head scratching popularity of Soarin'.

Doesn't have to be "new tech" E ticket if it's just a quality/well made E Ticket. New ride systems are fine and dandy, but there is nothing wrong with improving and existing system itself or what surrounds them if they can provide an immersive experience that engrosses the rider (Which isn't that the goal in the end?). Alot of people besides us who frequent these boards probably don't care about "how they did this" or "the tech behind this part". They want an experience they can't get anywhere else. If you can produce that... old tech or "new tech"... it's all the same in the end.

As to the claim of yours.. I'll bite . Both of these evolution's are within the last decade and meaningful ones to their respective parks at that.
Test Track to Radiator Springs Racers
Soarin to Flight of Passage

Future:
Star Tours/Mission Space to Smuggler's Run

 

[Hawg G]

Doesn't have to be "new tech" E ticket if it's just a quality/well made E Ticket. New ride systems are fine and dandy, but there is nothing wrong with improving the system itself or what surrounds them if they can provide an immersive experience that engrosses the rider.

As to the claim of yours.. I'll bite . Both of these evolution's are within the last decade and meaningful ones to their respective parks at that.
Test Track to Radiator Springs Racers
Soarin to Flight of Passage

Future:
Star Tours/Mission Space to Smuggler's Run

RSR has very unique AAs, for sure. It's fun, but no evolution at all, IMHO. It's much slower than TT, and the dark ride section is short. And the forced perspective is just awful in some areas. Journey is leaps and bounds better, and much older.

Soarin to FoP. I just don't get either one's popularity. Disney guests love watching movies, I guess.

ST to SR is very much up in the air it seems. Reports coming out aren't fantastic, even for people who didn't wait 4 hours. MIssion Space has nothing to do with it any more than Horizons or Spaceship Earth. The lower height requirement for SR tells me Disney was definitely not swinging for the fences. Just shooting for the masses, just like FoP did.

As I've said before, Disney can get away with it. I mean, even a ride as poor as NRJ has super long lines still. The parks are overcrowded, so they don't need any more people. I recall when the Grateful Dead had their hit "Touch of Gray". They begged fans of just it to NOT come to their concerts. Disney could literally do that with SWGE. Beg people to not come. Run commercials saying the new rides suck. And they would STILL have 3 hour long waits.

 

[Bleed0range]

RSR has very unique AAs, for sure. It's fun, but no evolution at all, IMHO. It's much slower than TT, and the dark ride section is short. And the forced perspective is just awful in some areas. Journey is leaps and bounds better, and much older.

Soarin to FoP. I just don't get either one's popularity. Disney guests love watching movies, I guess.

ST to SR is very much up in the air it seems. Reports coming out aren't fantastic, even for people who didn't wait 4 hours. MIssion Space has nothing to do with it any more than Horizons or Spaceship Earth. The lower height requirement for SR tells me Disney was definitely not swinging for the fences. Just shooting for the masses, just like FoP did.

As I've said before, Disney can get away with it. I mean, even a ride as poor as NRJ has super long lines still. The parks are overcrowded, so they don't need any more people. I recall when the Grateful Dead had their hit "Touch of Gray". They begged fans of just it to NOT come to their concerts. Disney could literally do that with SWGE. Beg people to not come. Run commercials saying the new rides suck. And they would STILL have 3 hour long waits.

RSR may not be as fast, but the theme makes it wayyyy better imo. I would consider the whole concept to be a genius utilization of the TT tech to an IP/theme. And it’s impressive.

 

[glendroid]

RSR has very unique AAs, for sure. It's fun, but no evolution at all, IMHO. It's much slower than TT, and the dark ride section is short. And the forced perspective is just awful in some areas. Journey is leaps and bounds better, and much older.

Soarin to FoP. I just don't get either one's popularity. Disney guests love watching movies, I guess.

ST to SR is very much up in the air it seems. Reports coming out aren't fantastic, even for people who didn't wait 4 hours. MIssion Space has nothing to do with it any more than Horizons or Spaceship Earth. The lower height requirement for SR tells me Disney was definitely not swinging for the fences. Just shooting for the masses, just like FoP did.

As I've said before, Disney can get away with it. I mean, even a ride as poor as NRJ has super long lines still. The parks are overcrowded, so they don't need any more people. I recall when the Grateful Dead had their hit "Touch of Gray". They begged fans of just it to NOT come to their concerts. Disney could literally do that with SWGE. Beg people to not come. Run commercials saying the new rides suck. And they would STILL have 3 hour long waits.

I can’t even think of a coherent way to reply to these statements.

Only comment I’ll make... if you really think that’s being slower than Test track, having a “short” but high quality dark ride section with top notch AAs and a fully realized canyon to race another car through isn’t a evolution from a ride in a warehouse with some screens and black light (I tried to simply test track like you did to Radiator Springs Racers but realized I couldn’t any further because it actually is what I describe)... I don’t think any ride will impress you ever. Don’t get me wrong... test track is tons of fun and I love it. But Radiator springs racers is one of the very limited Modern WOW rides Disney has state side.

 

[Hawg G]

I can’t even think of a coherent way to reply to these statements.

Only comment I’ll make... if you really think that’s being slower than Test track, having a “short” but high quality dark ride section with top notch AAs and a fully realized canyon to race another car through isn’t a evolution from a ride in a warehouse with some screens and black light (I tried to simply test track like you did to Radiator Springs Racers but realized I couldn’t any further because it actually is what I describe)... I don’t think any ride will impress you ever. Don’t get me wrong... test track is tons of fun and I love it. But Radiator springs racers is one of the very limited Modern WOW rides Disney has state side.

So people can't read "Journey is leaps and bounds better, and much older. "

RSR is a leap forward from TT, but it's the THIRD ride using the tech, and the best one opened almost 20 years ago with Tokyo DisneySea.

Carsland was DCA's facing reality moment, just like this round of rides is to WDW. So, yea, Disney spent a LOT of money on the ride. It's extremely popular, as Cars is marketed so heavily to boys, and DCA in general is pretty low on quality rides. It's a modern C/D ticket dark ride, with an outside racing section added.

 

[matt9112]

I'd fully support killing of Jungle Cruise for a better use of the land, presuming something of the order of Pandora/FoP. And give up PotC for Shanghai's version. And the current coaster in Space Mountain for a much better one with a smoother ride and better FX. And IaSW for a much better updated one (preferably in Epcot). And Speedway for electric TRON racers (or RC Racers in TSL). I would have been totally on board with TGMR having most of its scenes updated and MMRR going elsewhere, as long as TGMR was indeed updated.

Many of these attractions are noted for being the worst version of their cloned siblings or terribly outdated or terribly maintained, and yet, even with that acknowledgment, people throw their bodies in front of the wrecking ball because they're preserving their nostalgia, not a good experience for the next generation.

Frankly, its selfish.

disney has not convinced me that what they build is better than what was before....i agree with you 100% except that when has disney torn down something lately and given us something clearly better. pandora could technically be said to have replaced camp minnie micky. but that wasn't really an attraction either. things that junp to mind are stich...frozen...test track... sure the first two were some type of repurposing mixed with new but maybe thats the norm?

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

RSR is THE attraction to ride at DCA. The surrounding area is so well done, it is the New Orleans Square of the newer park. You have to see it to believe it. Yes, Cars Land is that good!

 

[DisneyOutsider]

It's a modern C/D ticket dark ride, with an outside racing section added.

And Tower of Terror is just an outdated C ticket dark ride with some drops at the end.

You're funny.

 

[glendroid]

So people can't read "Journey is leaps and bounds better, and much older. "

RSR is a leap forward from TT, but it's the THIRD ride using the tech, and the best one opened almost 20 years ago with Tokyo DisneySea.

Carsland was DCA's facing reality moment, just like this round of rides is to WDW. So, yea, Disney spent a LOT of money on the ride. It's extremely popular, as Cars is marketed so heavily to boys, and DCA in general is pretty low on quality rides. It's a modern C/D ticket dark ride, with an outside racing section added.

As per your original post I responded to... You said stateside, so I left out any of the foreign parks.

Also... The final statement... Just wow I guess.

And Tower of Terror is just an outdated C ticket dark ride with some drops at the end.

You're funny.

His over simplification of ride systems and their theme/features is masterful almost.

 

[ToTBellHop]

So people can't read "Journey is leaps and bounds better, and much older. "

RSR is a leap forward from TT, but it's the THIRD ride using the tech, and the best one opened almost 20 years ago with Tokyo DisneySea.

Carsland was DCA's facing reality moment, just like this round of rides is to WDW. So, yea, Disney spent a LOT of money on the ride. It's extremely popular, as Cars is marketed so heavily to boys, and DCA in general is pretty low on quality rides. It's a modern C/D ticket dark ride, with an outside racing section added.

RSR is objectively an E-ticket. Whether or not you appreciate it doesn’t matter.

 

[Missing20K]

It's a modern C/D ticket dark ride, with an outside racing section added.

And I thought my standards were high.

 

[MisterPenguin]

RSR is ... a modern C/D ticket dark ride, with an outside racing section added.

No. It's an E.

You're opinion of the ride doesn't change the objective characteristics which make it an E.

 

[Hawg G]

No. It's an E.

You're opinion of the ride doesn't change the objective characteristics which make it an E.

I look at it as 2 D tickets. The dark ride portion can't possibly be considered as an E ticket. It is half the length of NRJ, a ride Disney wouldn't even say is an E. The AAs have very little motion. Some are on platforms that spin and move, but they at most have 1 or 2 points of mouth motion, then projected eyes, and some projected mouths. It's a neat section, but not an E ticket.

Then you line up for the second section. The outside race. Completely different ride experience. Is it an E on it's own? No way.

Combined, with the massive money on the rock work, it's an E in total. But that is the crazy part. Take the ride, but have the race section in a desert setting, and it wouldn't be an E ticket. I like rides that are E worthy due to ride action, not 50 million dollars worth of fake rocks.

If the MK spent 100 million to totally amp up the theming around the existing Speedway, no ride changes, would it become an E ticket? Mostly static theming, and a few light up, simple AAs?

Many Disney "E" tickets are becoming that. GotG looks like a true E, but Tron is a low end, unpopular, coaster system with a very simple layout. Put half of it in a neon filled building that uses absolutely NO visuals from TRON other than the ride vehicles, and suddenly it's an E ticket. It would be like the Hagrid coaster not having ANY of the AAs, and a non canon Hut to ride through.

Again, that's all Disney has to do. They dont have to add Recognizers, Bit, and the MPU. And no need for a Tron AA anywhere. They can just do the minimum, and know FP÷s will be impossible to get for years.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I look at it as 2 D tickets. The dark ride portion can't possibly be considered as an E ticket. It is half the length of NRJ, a ride Disney wouldn't even say is an E. The AAs have very little motion. Some are on platforms that spin and move, but they at most have 1 or 2 points of mouth motion, then projected eyes, and some projected mouths. It's a neat section, but not an E ticket.

Then you line up for the second section. The outside race. Completely different ride experience. Is it an E on it's own? No way.

Combined, with the massive money on the rock work, it's an E in total. But that is the crazy part. Take the ride, but have the race section in a desert setting, and it wouldn't be an E ticket. I like rides that are E worthy due to ride action, not 50 million dollars worth of fake rocks.

If the MK spent 100 million to totally amp up the theming around the existing Speedway, no ride changes, would it become an E ticket? Mostly static theming, and a few light up, simple AAs?

Many Disney "E" tickets are becoming that. GotG looks like a true E, but Tron is a low end, unpopular, coaster system with a very simple layout. Put half of it in a neon filled building that uses absolutely NO visuals from TRON other than the ride vehicles, and suddenly it's an E ticket. It would be like the Hagrid coaster not having ANY of the AAs, and a non canon Hut to ride through.

Again, that's all Disney has to do. They dont have to add Recognizers, Bit, and the MPU. And no need for a Tron AA anywhere. They can just do the minimum, and know FP÷s will be impossible to get for years.

I look at it as one ride. Because that’s what it is. Do we judge Splash first as a log flume and secondly as a dark ride?

RSR is basically TT with animatronics. Is TT an e ticket?

 

[glendroid]

I look at it as 2 D tickets. The dark ride portion can't possibly be considered as an E ticket. It is half the length of NRJ, a ride Disney wouldn't even say is an E. The AAs have very little motion. Some are on platforms that spin and move, but they at most have 1 or 2 points of mouth motion, then projected eyes, and some projected mouths. It's a neat section, but not an E ticket.

Then you line up for the second section. The outside race. Completely different ride experience. Is it an E on it's own? No way.

Combined, with the massive money on the rock work, it's an E in total. But that is the crazy part. Take the ride, but have the race section in a desert setting, and it wouldn't be an E ticket. I like rides that are E worthy due to ride action, not 50 million dollars worth of fake rocks.

If the MK spent 100 million to totally amp up the theming around the existing Speedway, no ride changes, would it become an E ticket? Mostly static theming, and a few light up, simple AAs?

Many Disney "E" tickets are becoming that. GotG looks like a true E, but Tron is a low end, unpopular, coaster system with a very simple layout. Put half of it in a neon filled building that uses absolutely NO visuals from TRON other than the ride vehicles, and suddenly it's an E ticket. It would be like the Hagrid coaster not having ANY of the AAs, and a non canon Hut to ride through.

Again, that's all Disney has to do. They dont have to add Recognizers, Bit, and the MPU. And no need for a Tron AA anywhere. They can just do the minimum, and know FP÷s will be impossible to get for years.

Oh my dear lord. What vacuum world do you live in and how do I avoid it?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I look at it...

That's irrelevant for how Disney looks at it.

If you want to have your own personal ranking, fine. It's a Hawg-D.

But it's a Disney-E.

 

[peter11435]

I look at it as 2 D tickets. The dark ride portion can't possibly be considered as an E ticket. It is half the length of NRJ, a ride Disney wouldn't even say is an E. The AAs have very little motion. Some are on platforms that spin and move, but they at most have 1 or 2 points of mouth motion, then projected eyes, and some projected mouths. It's a neat section, but not an E ticket.

Then you line up for the second section. The outside race. Completely different ride experience. Is it an E on it's own? No way.

Combined, with the massive money on the rock work, it's an E in total. But that is the crazy part. Take the ride, but have the race section in a desert setting, and it wouldn't be an E ticket. I like rides that are E worthy due to ride action, not 50 million dollars worth of fake rocks.

If the MK spent 100 million to totally amp up the theming around the existing Speedway, no ride changes, would it become an E ticket? Mostly static theming, and a few light up, simple AAs?

Many Disney "E" tickets are becoming that. GotG looks like a true E, but Tron is a low end, unpopular, coaster system with a very simple layout. Put half of it in a neon filled building that uses absolutely NO visuals from TRON other than the ride vehicles, and suddenly it's an E ticket. It would be like the Hagrid coaster not having ANY of the AAs, and a non canon Hut to ride through.

Again, that's all Disney has to do. They dont have to add Recognizers, Bit, and the MPU. And no need for a Tron AA anywhere. They can just do the minimum, and know FP÷s will be impossible to get for years.

Lol

 

[Disney Analyst]

I look at it as 2 D tickets. The dark ride portion can't possibly be considered as an E ticket. It is half the length of NRJ, a ride Disney wouldn't even say is an E. The AAs have very little motion. Some are on platforms that spin and move, but they at most have 1 or 2 points of mouth motion, then projected eyes, and some projected mouths. It's a neat section, but not an E ticket.

Then you line up for the second section. The outside race. Completely different ride experience. Is it an E on it's own? No way.

Combined, with the massive money on the rock work, it's an E in total. But that is the crazy part. Take the ride, but have the race section in a desert setting, and it wouldn't be an E ticket. I like rides that are E worthy due to ride action, not 50 million dollars worth of fake rocks.

If the MK spent 100 million to totally amp up the theming around the existing Speedway, no ride changes, would it become an E ticket? Mostly static theming, and a few light up, simple AAs?

Many Disney "E" tickets are becoming that. GotG looks like a true E, but Tron is a low end, unpopular, coaster system with a very simple layout. Put half of it in a neon filled building that uses absolutely NO visuals from TRON other than the ride vehicles, and suddenly it's an E ticket. It would be like the Hagrid coaster not having ANY of the AAs, and a non canon Hut to ride through.

Again, that's all Disney has to do. They dont have to add Recognizers, Bit, and the MPU. And no need for a Tron AA anywhere. They can just do the minimum, and know FP÷s will be impossible to get for years.

This is actually the most ridiculous thing I've read on a theme park forum in my life.

Let's just cut all attractions in half to suit our opinion?

 

[ToTBellHop]

This is actually the most ridiculous thing I've read on a theme park forum in my life.

Let's just cut all attractions in half to suit our opinion?

Can I selectively excise the Jack Sparrows out of Pirates?