Satisfaction is down yet revenue is up as long as revenue grows the satisfaction metric is irrelevant to TDO
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RUMOR DLP to have paid FastPass
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Satisfaction is down yet revenue is up as long as revenue grows the satisfaction metric is irrelevant to TDO
No doubt. But it remains to e seen if they can maintain those revenue levels with satisfaction down.
If satisfaction is down do as many people book return trips? We'll just have to see.
DisneyparkFreak
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I'm not 100% sure that Disney doesn't care about the 99%. Yes they are raising ticket prices, yes Hotel rates go up every year, yes food is getting more expensive. However, this isn't an evil corporation trying to squeeze the last drop out of everybody they have a serious issue with capacity. They have to curb that somehow. Making vacations, tickets, rooms cheaper just adds more heads in the parks increasing demand and lowering supply. If they raise prices then it does unfortunately price out certain demographics and people from vacationing there. This isn't being done to create WDW as an ultra-uber rich resort, its to control capacity plain and simple.
Adding more "E-Tickets" isnt going to solve the problem. Demand for their product (the parks) is huge and they just cant supply the demand.
Just my two cents though.
Yes wait and see is the watchword here.
Yet Are return trips relevant for todays Disney as the real desired class of guest for DIS is the wealtlhy international tourist here for a WDW one and done trip,
Capacity control could be also achieved the same way it was done for years. By setting a hard cap on attendance in each park. When the park sells out. Thats it no more admissions at the full park
I think Disney wants as many return visitors AND new visitors as they can get.
It's not like they have a backlog of people waiting to get into the parks. Pretty much anyone so inclined can buy a ticket and go. They seldom reach capacity these days.
Kamikaze
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Capacity has little to do with the number of Fastpasses for a given attraction. Thats based on OHRC.
Kamikaze
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WDW parks almost never hit capacity. Especially since NFL.
I would not be shocked if at some point WDW does offer "add on" FP for a price to on site guests and possibly AP holders ( though I think AP holders probably could see some other benefit in the FP arena at some point similar to the Photo pass option already added in to the cost of the AP). I do think it would only be after Pandora, SW Land, TS land, Some of the EPCOT Update and some reworking of MK is completed. Right now the FP system could not handle that type of mass change. It is just starting to make some sense, at least for those of us who are die hard planners and go to WDW so much it makes sense. Still lots for them to work out before they add a premium charge option into the mix.
SirLink
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Quick moment aside when I talked about capacity we are talking walkways, attractions, shops and dining. But onto the real meat:
For every guest that in the MK you need for the total fastpass capacity i.e. for all attractions, you need to be able to give 3 per person with a ticket. If a person who comes in from the street can't have 3 guaranteed for that day, even if that means the worst ones. Again this would lead to lower guest satisfaction and a line out of guest relations complaining - which they don't want. The only way a 'paid for' fastpass system one WILL be implemented in WDW is you have paid for this really really expensive hotel room/ you have spent $100's of merchandise, so in return we will give you an additional free fastpass.
Your nutty idea won't happen period, until they address total capacity in the 4 parks so that the overall standby wait of each attraction is lower. Don't know how to say it any simpler.
Doug Means
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i would never pay for FP
Kamikaze
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No, thats not how it works at all. They don't guarantee you getting ANY FastPasses, just that you can get up to 3 in MK. Check out this chart. It isn't 100% accurate, but it gives you a better idea of what kinds of allocations actually happen.
https://crooksinwdw.wordpress.com/2013/12/14/theoreticaloperational-hourly-ride-capacity-at-wdw/
Its not free if it comes as a perk of the room, guy. Thats still a paid system, and its exactly how I suggested it, as FPs on top of the other ones.
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pax_65
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I've cut my trips by about 75%. It breaks my heart but I'm convinced $$$ is the only language they understand.
Kamikaze
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They are making more money than ever, still. They don't notice it yet, if they ever will. Even if 17 and 18 were to be bad, 2019 will be blockbuster based completely on SWL. And if TSL opens in 18 as it should then that will help there too.
SirLink
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1)Exactly as I have stated the only paid for system that is coming is the perk system.
2)The reason why a lot of MyMagic + isn't online yet is due to capacity being low - FP+ and MM+ having that symbiotic system. The only reason why there is no paid system/perk system at WDW is because yet again they don't have the capacity to be able to offer it.
P.S. They guarantee in WDW UK literature that you will get a minimum of 1 FP at peak times if you book under 30 days in advance. Implied more and at 30 day mark.
My last visit was for the WDW marathon in January, Even THAT Disney managed to screw up, Disney did not HAVE to offer compensation for the cancelled half marathon, yet they did so one would expect Disney to follow through, There were 10 of us running that weekend out of the TEN of us only ONE person got the offered compensation. Which was the medal and either gift cards or 2 1 day hopper passes. - Not cool Disney, Out of our group I was the only one NOT surprised by Disney's lack of follow through, I expect little from Disney and usually they STILL manage to underwhelm me.
That will probably be my last visit and I skipped the parks entirely for that trip. As money IS the only thing that DIS understands or cares about any longer.
Back when a buffet at Boma was in the mid 20's it was a reasonable value but now that the majority of the buffets are north of $50 bucks/pp most of the year, I can't let go of financial discipline to that extent even if it IS vacation. And for sure hell would freeze over before I even thought of paying for a FP...
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SirLink
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If you increase prices you will indeed make more money that you did the previous year even with less guests showing up.
Kamikaze
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Which is exactly the plan.
SirLink
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From a business perspective it is dumb: a business doesn't want to weaken its own demand.