Anybody get a 35% raise last year?

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
The skills gap is because of the looking down of america on blue collar work and jobs which actually are vital. This isn't capitalism. this is the fake stuff that rich men made because they are so insecure with someone having more than them or the same amount as them.

No where did I state that its a College only problem, just my examples were college centric. There are a plethora of skills which are not taught in College that provide above sustenance level remuneration most of which are critical to the economy.

The argument I'm seeing in the background of most of these posts is that the call for the average compensation to be raised without a corresponding increase in the minimum required skill sets. Zero reference is made to the amount of investment that the employer makes in initial and ongoing training so that this human capital can provide increasing economic value to the company (think in terms of Traditions)

Traditions is designed to accomplish four major purposes:
  1. To acclimate new cast members to the foundations of the resort’s culture.
  2. To perpetuate the language and symbols, heritage and traditions, quality standards, values, and traits and behaviors of Walt Disney World.
  3. To create a sense of excitement about working at the resort.
  4. To introduce new cast members to the core safety regulations.
This is just the start .. you can get quite a bit more from this book : DISNEY U: How Disney University Develops the World’s Most Engaged, Loyal, and Customer-Centric Employees” by Doug Lipp (McGraw-Hill, 2013)

Its not all about monetary compensation increasing within a static role, its about developing your employees into the best resource for the company as far as they are willing to go.

Some people are frightened of change, they want things to remain the same no matter how the world around them changes.
 

Quinnmac000

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LOL, OK, so should the excess revenue that Disney creates in the form of federal/state/local/county taxes that FAR exceed any subsidies in which are given to them, be withheld from the government?

Should you get a say in how much Tiger Woods gets paid, too? PGA gets tax cuts, especially here in Florida.

PGA tour is not for profit which it shouldn't be to begin with along with NFL and NHL which make them untouchable in the government. I have a problem with that as well. Surprised no one else doesn't. Does their income look like it shouldn't be taxed?

Excess revenues that exceed any subsidies in which they are given should not be withheld from the government no matter what the company it is whether Disney, Apple, GE. Disney is for profit, got it cool. Stockholders need to be paid, boss needs to be paid.

If a company exists within America and takes advantages of the benefits of american tax cuts I think America should have a dictate in what they make. If they can set a minimum wage why can't they?
 
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NelsonRD

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Disney gets tax cuts, my tax dollars get used to negate some of Disney's tax bill to the governnment for operating in this country, Disney uses that money to buy back stock which funds Bob Iger's extravagant lifestyle of making bad decisions for WDW, cutting imagineers, and buy IPs instead of creating new fresh material. That directly effects my money and me and directly ties me to how it deals what he gets paid. Then the same tax dollars are going to some of those great CMs who are on welfare which my tax dollars also go to. Its a two way where I'm directly effected by Iger's pay.

And I am a stockholder who wishes I could dictate exec compensation.

You left out one thing. The millions that Disney pays as a company in taxes each quarter. I am not knowledge on what Disney pays, vs. what they get a break for, but I am pretty sure they pay a lot in taxes.
 

MattM

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PGA tour is not for profit which it shouldn't be to begin with along with NFL and NHL which make them untouchable in the government. I have a problem with that as well. Surprised no one else doesn't. Does their income look like it shouldn't be taxed?
You didn't answer my question...
 

MattM

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You left out one thing. The millions that Disney pay as a company in taxes each quarter. I am not knowledge on what Disney pays, vs. what they get a break for, but I am pretty sure they pay a lot in taxes.
It's not even just that. So Disney gets a tax break from the State of Florida. Disney builds theme park. People come to theme park. People need a place to sleep. There are approximately 150K hotel rooms in Orlando that are all generating state/local/county taxes. But wait, those people need a place to eat. There's more sales tax generated. Well how are they going to get from their hotel to the parks or restaurants? Car rental. There's more revs generated. You can see how this goes on and on...

But please, tell me more about how the trivial amount you pay in taxes entitles you to determine pay for others.
 

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
PGA tour is not for profit which it shouldn't be to begin with along with NFL and NHL which make them untouchable in the government. I have a problem with that as well. Surprised no one else doesn't. Does their income look like it shouldn't be taxed?

The professional sports organizations were specifically granted exemption from the Sherman anti trust act of 1890, Clayton act of 1914, and the Federal Trace Act of 1914. I'm not saying that its right it being a protected monopoly, but until its revoked its how things are.
 

MattM

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If you want to vote iger out of a job because you don't agree with his compensation then become a stockholder or quite funding the beast.
Or, better yet, sit down and shut up because the guy who you complain makes too much money has made you a ton of money over the last 6 years while you sit on your rear and complain about how much he makes...;)
 

Quinnmac000

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Or, better yet, sit down and shut up because the guy who you complain makes too much money has made you a ton of money over the last 6 years while you sit on your rear and complain about how much he makes...;)

You assume I don't make a ton of money...which is why you should shut up and sit down because you don't know how much I make or what I do or if my goal is to aspire to be wealthy man alive or to be a guy who wants to live comfortably and happily with my family.

Also got freedom of speech,first admendment right. Got the right to complain all i want about his pay. Just can't use harmful speech or make false statements against him in journalism.
 

MattM

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You assume I don't make a ton of money...which is why you should shut up and sit down because you don't know how much I make or what I do or if my goal is to aspire to be wealthy man alive or to be a guy who wants to live comfortably and happily with my family.

Also got freedom of speech,first admendment right. Got the right to complain all i want about his pay. Just can't use harmful speech or make false statements against him in journalism.

You're right, I don't. But I do now know that you assume goals of being wealthy and living comfortably/happy with family cannot coincide. And to that, I chuckle.
 

Quinnmac000

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Did i say they cannot coincide? No I didn't. I just said you don't know anything about me to assume you know what my goals are or why I even care about his pay to begin with. But you can enjoy your opinions as I will enjoy mine as I type this sitting on my rear in my Chateau winter home in Aspen by the fire with my family.
 

MattM

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Did i say they cannot coincide? No I didn't. I just said you don't know anything about me to assume you know what my goals are or why I even care about his pay to begin with. But you can enjoy your opinions as I will enjoy mine as I type this sitting on my rear in my Chateau winter home in Aspen by the fire with my family.
Well you enjoy your chateau while worrying about what other people are paid :rolleyes:
 

Bocabear

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So basically, Iger could simply write a check to cover the shortfall of any new attraction they slash the budget on...and never even notice it...think about that next time you are on the Little Mermaid Rode that was done on the cheap, or the 7DMT... they could have all been done much better...but the budgets keep getting cut....and Iger is making crazy money bonuses...
 

PhilharMagician

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Well all I have to say is that this should give lots of incentive to the low level troops on the ground selling popcorn and emptying trash cans to work harder. 35% is a little excessive, no a lot excessive!

It's not just the work of one person that makes company great it's the shared effort of the many.
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
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The Disney company is not made up of front line CMs + Iger. There are thousands of others in different parts of the company (Pixar, Marvel, ESPN, ABC) that make more than the hourly CM. Is their compensation too high? If we are going to judge one, let's make sure we judge all.
 
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NelsonRD

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Well all I have to say is that this should give lots of incentive to the low level troops on the ground selling popcorn and emptying trash cans to work harder. 35% is a little excessive, no a lot excessive!

It's not just the work of one person that makes company great it's the shared effort of the many.

Tony Baxter started out selling popcorn - there is your incentive.
 

DC0703

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I think the reason for the anger is largely due to the fact that a troubling trend has emerged in the working world where CEOs and Top execs get huge raises and bonuses while everyone else's wages stagnate.

Personally I wouldn't care how much Iger or any other CEO makes if companies as a whole continued to give their employees raises and bonuses as well, given that much of a company's success comes from the cogs in the wheel that keep the machine running. It used to be that raises/bonuses were an incentive for employees to give their all to the job. Today, more and more companies give little in extra compensation, often not even a cost of living raise, which makes employees feel that they are working harder for less money. In some cases, those inflated CEO paychecks may even be the result of maximizing profits by slashing jobs or keeping the employee pay flat.

I don't want to wade into another capitalism vs socialism debate. All I want to say is that when people are frustrated about stagnant wages, these examples of CEOs getting huge boosts seem all the more glaring and anger results.

In the case of Iger, I would only hope that his windfall would encourage him to reward some of his employees that are going above and beyond to keep the brand top-notch as well.
 

NelsonRD

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I think the reason for the anger is largely due to the fact that a troubling trend has emerged in the working world where CEOs and Top execs get huge raises and bonuses while everyone else's wages stagnate.

Personally I wouldn't care how much Iger or any other CEO makes if companies as a whole continued to give their employees raises and bonuses as well, given that much of a company's success comes from the cogs in the wheel that keep the machine running. It used to be that raises/bonuses were an incentive for employees to give their all to the job. Today, more and more companies give little in extra compensation, often not even a cost of living raise, which makes employees feel that they are working harder for less money. In some cases, those inflated CEO paychecks may even be the result of maximizing profits by slashing jobs or keeping the employee pay flat.

I don't want to wade into another capitalism vs socialism debate. All I want to say is that when people are frustrated about stagnant wages, these examples of CEOs getting huge boosts seem all the more glaring and anger results.

In the case of Iger, I would only hope that his windfall would encourage him to reward some of his employees that are going above and beyond to keep the brand top-notch as well.

The problem is the 'cogs in the wheel that keep the machine running' as you call them do not invest in the business they are working for. There is my problem with all of this. When a company is successful it is easy to say they should share the profits, so if you believe in that, they should be responsible financially for the downside as well. If employees want more of the pay, they should share more risk and potential of loss. But no, they receive the same pay, no matter if Disney posts a profit or loss.

I will also argue 'little in extra compensation' will do nothing. Paying more will help for the first day or two, but then this conversation will start all over again - except it will be "That is all we got?"

I worked for a pizzeria in high school. I never thought that they needed me because without me, the pizzas would not get delivered, and therefore I was entitled to more pay. No, a delivery driver received their pay, and any tips, i knew that, and that is what it was. The pizzeria absorbed all the cost of equipment, insurance, rent, advertisement, and to say they wouldn't be successful without me as a delivery driver is just absurd.

I cannot say it enough. The only way you are going to get ahead is to stop looking back at what others are getting or doing. One reason rich people are happier (other than money) is because they believe their best days are ahead of them, and look forward to the future, while others feel the best days are behind them, dragging them down, and putting them in a bad mood.
 
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PrincessNelly_NJ

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When a company is successful it is easy to say they should share the profits, so if you believe in that, they should be responsible financially for the downside as well. If employees want more of the pay, they should share more risk and potential of loss. But no, they receive the same pay, no matter if Disney posts a profit or loss.
Again, they are... Disney does lay people off. When times get hard, some companies start laying people off or asking people to take pay cuts. So saying that "they receive the same pay, no matter if Disney posts a profit or loss" is only partly true... they receive it but it may be at the loss of someone's job...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/worklife/04/09/disney.layoffs/index.html?iref=24hours

http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/disney-interactive-lays-off-700-employees-1201126908/

Look at Seaworld/Busch Gardens, suffering due to Blackfish backlash. They just started laying people off and not just front of the line employees but some higher up people as well. Supposed to save them about $50 million dollars.
 

Frankie The Beer

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The topic of Iger's pay is always a hilarious topic on this forum.

While its always good for a few "likes" to make ignorant comments about what the man has apparently not done, people continue to fail to see what he has. The man purchased Pixar, Marvel and Lucas's properties. Those three things alone are worthy of a substantial yearly stipend on that alone.

The film division seems to have hit after hit year in year out.

The parks, especially WDW, are packed and probably making cash hand over fist.

ESPN is the biggest cash cow on television and has grown substantially under Iger's watch.

While we may get a 5th park sooner than later, the days of massive building that was done under Eisner's reign are not going to happen again. Its just not possible in todays business world. Iger, in his genius, has changed with the times and is probably the best CEO in America and has positioned the Disney Corporation for long term success long after he is gone. Give the man his due, he deserves his successes.

Iger has been tapped to replace Warren Buffet for a reason, people need to get their head out of the sand and see why.
 

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