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TAFI Town Hall

jdmdisney99

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Welcome to the Informational Thread of the ICS on WDWMagic.com!

We’re glad that you’ve decided to join our merry band of future Imagineers! So, you’re probably wondering, what exactly is the ICS? Well, for starters, the ICS is the semi-official governing body of the competitions that take place on this forum. The ICS is sponsored by TAFI (The Alliance of Future Imagineers), but that’s not important right now. What is important is getting you up to speed on how the ICS works and what role you can play in it!


A Brief History of the ICS –


The ICS started in the fall of 2013 when a few members of the WDWMagic Imagineering forum came up with an idea to standardize the various competitions that had popped up in over the summer and fall of 2013. This group wanted to establish a system by which an end-of-the-year champion could be established. They agreed that while it was great to win one competition, wouldn’t it be even better to be counted as the best for an entire year.

The idea was a tough one to see through. Issues, both logistical and personal, quickly arose and the project was almost shelved entirely. However, mid-way through 2014 the idea was resurrected by the same group who had initially proposed it. After many long days, and longer nights, of deliberation, discussion, and debate as to how the system should work, this is the system that we believe will work best for what we have in mind.


The ICS Schedule –


Throughout the year, the ICS sponsors tournaments in which competitors receive points based on their results. These tournaments are divided up roughly into three basic timeframes: January-April, May-June, and July-November, with December being reserved for the Elite Eight Tournament. These competitions are hosted by members of the WDWMagic Imagineering forum community and can be hosted by any member of the community. Traditionally, The Sorcerer’s Apprentice, a competition based loosely on the television show The Apprentice, has taken residence in the July-November slot. An updated schedule will be posted below. Should you have interest in hosting a competition in one of these slots, or in another timeframe should the opportunity arise, please contact @jdmdisney99, @LittleGiants16, or @Zweiland for more information.


(It should be noted that not all competitions hosted in the WDWMagic forums are ICS official competitions, nor are they required to be. Should you like to have competitors in your competition compete for ICS points, however, it must be an official ICS competition.)


The Points Ranking System –


The most significant part of the ICS, and the system by which the competitors for the Elite Eight Tournament are chosen, is the points ranking system. The points ranking system, while complicated in name, is actually quite simple in practice. For every person you beat in an official ICS competition’s final standings, you receive one point. Simple as that.

Let’s try an example. Let’s say you participate in a ten person ICS sanctioned competition and finish in third. Because you finished in third, you beat seven people and would receive seven points for your success. These seven points would be added to any points you received in other ICS sanctioned competitions and would combine to make your total ICS Points Ranking System tally. Come December, a tie will be broken using tiebreaker rules which include head-to-head match-ups, the number of competitions each member has participated in, and other such statistics.

Hosts for competitions also receive points, and their points calculation is just as simple. For hosting a competition, the host receives the amount of points equal to half of the number of contestants in the competition. In the ten person competition example, the host would receive five points. Should there be multiple hosts for a competition, the total number of host points will be divided amongst the total number of hosts. Guest hosts, or any other host who does not participate as fully as the main host, will receive no points.

These points do reset each January 1.


The Conversationalists –


The “governing body” of the ICS is the TAFI Conversationalists. Governing body was intentionally put in quotation marks so as to indicate that there is little governing that actually needs done with a group such as this. However, this group serves to authenticate any competitions that seek to be ICS sanctioned as well as adjudicate any conflicts or decisions that arise in ICS competitions. Mostly, however, this group simply strives to keep the ICS on track throughout the year so that the end of year Elite Eight Tournament can get off without a hitch.

This group will change from year to year, however the system by which this will change is still to be determined. Stay turned for more information regarding appointments/election to the conversationalists.


Elite Eight Tournament –


The final tournament of the year for the ICS is the ICS Elite Eight Tournament. The top-eight point-getters from the ICS Points Rankings System for that year will participate in a single elimination, knockout tournament to see which Imagineer reigns supreme for that year. The format may or may not change from year to year, depending on the host, but will be comprised of the top-eight ICS points-getters from that given year.


Congratulations! You’ve read the full run down of the ICS and are now ready to participate in our little yearlong tournament. If you have any questions, please reach out to @LittleGiants16, @jdmdisney99 or @Zweiland for more information. Thanks for reading and, again, welcome to the ICS!

Hello everyone! Now that you all know what the ICS is, here's a place to talk about it. This thread is the place for everyone to share their thoughts on what should be done around the forum; from the way the ICS is executed to new ideas for competitions and more. This thread will act as the portal between the public and the TAFI Conversationalists. All members can work through things here while the Conversationalists will officially initiate new features. If you have anything you disagree with or want to improve, comment below...​
 
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Sam Magic

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Here is a picture of what our Town Hall looks like:
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DinoInstitute

Well-Known Member
Awesome! Agree with RMichael....This is so much fun!:D Really getting ready for the new season, just before the final tourney starts tomorrow!:D

Well, now that this thread is up, I do have a suggestion:p...I've never particularly liked the format of the Archives page on the TAFI site. I know, that sounds a bit picky, and it kind of is, but I have a few minor changes that may be good if people like them.
Personally, I would do the opposite and have the newer competitions placed at the top, with the older ones at the bottom of the page. I think this would help with a better flow and reading for people who haven't seen them yet, but that's just my opinion.
Second, if you like the first idea, I would then make different pictures for different seasons. For example, a different logo would be for season 2 of SA, while the same one would be for 1. Is that a good idea? Because the other half of me likes to have the season together.
Lastly, if the other two things work, I would just divide the comps into categories of 2015 season, 2014 season, etc, and the pre-ICS. Again, this is just a minor thing.

Sorry if I rambled on too much or I was being too picky. I'm just a kind of guy who looks for the little details like that in my own home and then rearranges everything:p:D
 
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RMichael21

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Awesome! Agree with RMichael....This is so much fun!:D Really getting ready for the new season, just before the final tourney starts tomorrow!:D

Well, now that this thread is up, I do have a suggestion:p...I've never particularly liked the format of the Archives page on the TAFI site. I know, that sounds a bit picky, and it kind of is, but I have a few minor changes that may be good if people like them.
Personally, I would do the opposite and have the newer competitions placed at the top, with the older ones at the bottom of the page. I think this would help with a better flow and reading for people who haven't seen them yet, but that's just my opinion.
Second, if you like the first idea, I would then make different pictures for different seasons. For example, a different logo would be for season 2 of SA, while the same one would be for 1. Is that a good idea? Because the other half of me likes to have the season together.
Lastly, is the other two things work, I would just divide the comps into categories of 2015 season, 2014 season, etc, and the pre-ICS. Again, this is just a minor thing.

Sorry if I rambled on too much or I was being too picky. I'm just a kind of guy who looks for the little details like that in my own home and then rearranges everything:p:D
I agree with that and it definitely makes sense. It would really make the archives page more clear and easier to read.
 

Sam Magic

Well-Known Member
Awesome! Agree with RMichael....This is so much fun!:D Really getting ready for the new season, just before the final tourney starts tomorrow!:D

Well, now that this thread is up, I do have a suggestion:p...I've never particularly liked the format of the Archives page on the TAFI site. I know, that sounds a bit picky, and it kind of is, but I have a few minor changes that may be good if people like them.
Personally, I would do the opposite and have the newer competitions placed at the top, with the older ones at the bottom of the page. I think this would help with a better flow and reading for people who haven't seen them yet, but that's just my opinion.
Second, if you like the first idea, I would then make different pictures for different seasons. For example, a different logo would be for season 2 of SA, while the same one would be for 1. Is that a good idea? Because the other half of me likes to have the season together.
Lastly, is the other two things work, I would just divide the comps into categories of 2015 season, 2014 season, etc, and the pre-ICS. Again, this is just a minor thing.

Sorry if I rambled on too much or I was being too picky. I'm just a kind of guy who looks for the little details like that in my own home and then rearranges everything:p:D
Going even further I think we could use a new site , but I know Jdm worked really hard on our current one. This would work well with what we have now though.

Maybe a new site could outwardly reflect the changes we have made as an organization?
 

jdmdisney99

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Original Poster
Awesome! Agree with RMichael....This is so much fun!:D Really getting ready for the new season, just before the final tourney starts tomorrow!:D

Well, now that this thread is up, I do have a suggestion:p...I've never particularly liked the format of the Archives page on the TAFI site. I know, that sounds a bit picky, and it kind of is, but I have a few minor changes that may be good if people like them.
Personally, I would do the opposite and have the newer competitions placed at the top, with the older ones at the bottom of the page. I think this would help with a better flow and reading for people who haven't seen them yet, but that's just my opinion.
Second, if you like the first idea, I would then make different pictures for different seasons. For example, a different logo would be for season 2 of SA, while the same one would be for 1. Is that a good idea? Because the other half of me likes to have the season together.
Lastly, is the other two things work, I would just divide the comps into categories of 2015 season, 2014 season, etc, and the pre-ICS. Again, this is just a minor thing.

Sorry if I rambled on too much or I was being too picky. I'm just a kind of guy who looks for the little details like that in my own home and then rearranges everything:p:D
Love the suggestions! :D I'll certainly apply those soon. In fact, taking it further, I was thinking of expanding upon the archives and linking to an independent page, where you could put each season. Either way, that page is one which I will be trying to overhaul in the near future. I've been thinking about it for a while, so I think I'll make those changes very soon. I also think I could probably keep individual stats there (most points in a season, most "career" points, most comp victories, most championships, etc.). Yeah, it has a lot of potential, and I think I'll address that.

Going even further I think we could use a new site , but I know Jdm worked really hard on our current one. This would work well with what we have now though.

Maybe a new site could outwardly reflect the changes we have made as an organization?
I think some changes to the current one will do.
 

RMichael21

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Alright. I have a topic/"issue" that I felt that I should share with everyone. In a PM that a started last night, I contacted @jdmdisney99, @Zweiland and @LittleGiants16. This is what we said.

RMichael21:
Hey guys! I just read the ICS Info thread and really enjoyed it. However, there is one thing that I'm not to sure about.

I've put multiple hours of work into my newest competition. Working out the kinks, creating challenges, etc. However, in the adjusted point system, the host only receives points equal to 1/2 of the number of competitors. I can see why you did this, as the older system gave an over abundance of points to the host. But, I feel like this point value is to little for someone who has spent so much time on a competition. It seems more like a good value for a judge, IMHO.

Now, I'm not contacting you guys because I'm whining that I don't get as many points as I would have gotten before. Trust me, I'm not. I just wanted to contact you guys about a concern that I have. :)

jdmdisney99:
Trust me RM, I completely understand as a host myself. I'm thinking of a way we could make it a bit better.

RMichael21:
Thanks. ;) I'm excited to join the club of fellow hosts. :D I guess I'm getting pretty paranoid, lol. I really want my comp to go well. :p

jdmdisney99:
Perhaps...

Judges (who DO NOT compete) = 0 points
Judges (who DO compete) = 25% of total competitors (EX. 10 players...2.5 points)
Hosts (who DO NOT compete) = 50% of total competitors (EX. 10 players...5 points)
Hosts (who DO compete) = 75% of total competitors (EX. 10 players...7.5 points)

RMichael21:
Hosts who DO compete? How does that work, lol? :D

jdmdisney99:
In other competitions. For example, I hosted, but I also competed in WEDCAR. I am a competitive host so I get more for my dedicated effort. If someone hosts a comp and then leaves for the rest of the year, why should they get so many points for never actually competing?

LittleGiants16:
I agree that this is a bit of an arbitrary line, but I firmly believe that points value is good here. As a consistent judge, I don't feel that I deserve any points. I'm around here because I enjoy helping out and watching each of you grow, not because I want points. We set the initial line so as to entice people to host as well as compete. You can't assume that you'll do any better than fourth or fifth in a competition, no one can. I'm firmly of the opinion that the current level is appropriate. But, I believe I've said this before in other conversations.

jdmdisney99:
No, you can't [assume that you'll do any better then fourth or fifth in a competition]. But you can guarantee that you are putting in just as much work while taking the time out of your competitive season to host other players. That's why I recommended the different levels for competing hosts and other hosts. That's where I would be at, from a host's perspective.

Zweiland:
What's at stake here are the points. The points are for seeding in the Elite Eight, which is to determine who is the best competitiveImagineer. Not the best at hosting.

However, hosts should be rewarded for all the value they bring to our community. I think giving them a number of points equal to 1/2 the competitors is a happy medium.

We'll keep working on making it fairer for everyone, obviously, but that's a discussion for the Town Hall or the Conversationalists.

So, what does everyone think? Do you find that half of the competitors is too little or just right for the point values for competition hosts? Share your opinions please! :D:p;)
 

DinoInstitute

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Love the suggestions! :D I'll certainly apply those soon. In fact, taking it further, I was thinking of expanding upon the archives and linking to an independent page, where you could put each season. Either way, that page is one which I will be trying to overhaul in the near future. I've been thinking about it for a while, so I think I'll make those changes very soon. I also think I could probably keep individual stats there (most points in a season, most "career" points, most comp victories, most championships, etc.). Yeah, it has a lot of potential, and I think I'll address that.


I think some changes to the current one will do.
Cool! And I love that idea with the separate pages for comps. Like you said, it would be cool to see stats, trivia, a season summary, maybe even a "plot". Similar to how Wikipedia does a page about a reality competition season (Here's an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_24)
 

DinoInstitute

Well-Known Member
Alright. I have a topic/"issue" that I felt that I should share with everyone. In a PM that a started last night, I contacted @jdmdisney99, @Zweiland and @LittleGiants16. This is what we said.

RMichael21:

jdmdisney99:

RMichael21:

jdmdisney99:

RMichael21:

jdmdisney99:

LittleGiants16:

jdmdisney99:

Zweiland:

So, what does everyone think? Do you find that half of the competitors is too little or just right for the point values for competition hosts? Share your opinions please! :D:p;)
I kind of like Jdm's suggestion for the different levels. However, the others brought up good points, and I particularly likes Z's statement, "The points are for seeding in the Elite Eight, which is to determine who is the best competitive Imagineer. Not the best at hosting."

Hosts are needed of course, but this is true. And you have to take into account how well they are actually hosting. Are the reviews "I think this turned out pretty good, nice job", or are they "This was a wonderful concept. What a great idea you had with ---, I do think that ---- is ok, perhaps you could have ----"? Are the challenges "Design me a new ride", or are they "Now, this next challenge takes place ---, where you will have to bring new energy into the area with new activity (etc.)"? Is the competition itself fun and original? Like all competitors have different skill levels, not all hosts and comps are equal. I don't really know what should be solution, but thats just something to consider.
 

jdmdisney99

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Original Poster
I kind of like Jdm's suggestion for the different levels. However, the others brought up good points, and I particularly likes Z's statement, "The points are for seeding in the Elite Eight, which is to determine who is the best competitive Imagineer. Not the best at hosting."

Hosts are needed of course, but this is true. And you have to take into account how well they are actually hosting. Are the reviews "I think this turned out pretty good, nice job", or are they "This was a wonderful concept. What a great idea you had with ---, I do think that ---- is ok, perhaps you could have ----"? Are the challenges "Design me a new ride", or are they "Now, this next challenge takes place ---, where you will have to bring new energy into the area with new activity (etc.)"? Is the competition itself fun and original? Like all competitors have different skill levels, not all hosts and comps are equal. I don't really know what should be solution, but thats just something to consider.
Yep, that's the thing. Quality can't be given a fair numerical value.
 

DinoInstitute

Well-Known Member
Oooh, this thread semi-bump reminds me, is there any "news" for the new ICS season? I'm not quite sure what I mean by this, but any format changes, comp schedules, etc?:p
 

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