Ice Cream/Drink Carts - More Cutbacks?

MichWolv

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Another thread that implies a strategy or a top-down decision with far more conspiracy in it than is actually necessary. Obviously, Disney wants to maximize profits and provide the best guest experience. Those goals are often in sync, but sometimes not. Plus, long-term and short-term profit maximization are often not affected the say way by decision, and it is notoriously difficult to figure out how much to sacrifice in the short-term to make gains in the long-term.

Guests might want a drink and snack cart near the entrance to every attraction, but that probably has too much cost to it. Plus, best guest experience means different things to different people. If all ice cream carts went away, I'd notice not at all, but many others would be upset. OTOH, take away the churro carts, and MY VACATION IS RUINED, I tell ya, RUINED! Some guests want convenience, so they just want a cart serving what they want wherever they want. Other guests want the carts to fit with the show, so a you better not offer kaki-gori in front of the Norway pavilion.

Now, add to that the logistics of operating these carts. Stocking, staffing, predicting guest flow and desires, balancing asthetics of a cart against whatever it goes in front of, or next to, finding locations that are in the way enough so as to draw a crowd but out of the way enough so as to not block walkways, dealing with weather that affects demand, etc. There's a lot there. And that's assuming that the carts are, in general, profitable. I'm pretty sure they are, based on the economics, so we'll keep that assumption.

Sometimes, carts are going to be closed that clearly would have been profitable had they been opened. It's certainly possible that this is decision from management that "we'll sell the same number of drinks if we have 12 carts open as we would if we have 14", but that seems unlikely. It's too stupid to be believable. For more likely is that they believed demand for the day could easily be accomodated by 12 carts, and they were wrong -- demand was higher and they needed 14. Or they meant to open 14, but people called in sick and there were no replacements available.

So we should get upset that management messed up in its planning, and that they didn't build in flexibility (and yes, trimming flexibility might indeed be a top-down strategy, since flexibility costs), but to believe that there's strategy behind all of this that says "treat the guests like fools" is well...too much for me.

One needn't attribute to nefarious intent that which can be explained by incompetence.
 

captainkidd

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odd, I was there 7.9 - 7.19 and I, nor my wife, never had an issue seeing a cart that was open

We were there the 11th - 22nd. The ones that stuck out most in my mind were the cart on the Splash Mountain bridge across from Pecos Bills, the cart near Tony's on Main Street USA, and the cart right in front of the Indy Speedway. I noticed some at the other parks, but they were never as mobbed as the Magic Kingdom so it wasn't as big of a deal.

I was also somewhat surprised to see the Friars Nook and Diamond Horseshoe closed the entire time we were there.
 

ddbowdoin

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We were there the 11th - 22nd. The ones that stuck out most in my mind were the cart on the Splash Mountain bridge across from Pecos Bills, the cart near Tony's on Main Street USA, and the cart right in front of the Indy Speedway. I noticed some at the other parks, but they were never as mobbed as the Magic Kingdom so it wasn't as big of a deal.

I was also somewhat surprised to see the Friars Nook and Diamond Horseshoe closed the entire time we were there.

FN was closed when we were there as well... but the DH was open, their sign was out every day referring to openings for dining.

IMHO the bridge near Splash and the area outside of Pecos Bill was actually a bit overcrowded with carts. They were effective, but from a visual perspective a bit of a mess.
 

captainkidd

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FN was closed when we were there as well... but the DH was open, their sign was out every day referring to openings for dining.

IMHO the bridge near Splash and the area outside of Pecos Bill was actually a bit overcrowded with carts. They were effective, but from a visual perspective a bit of a mess.

That's really odd. Diamond Horseshoe was definitely not open the days we were at the MK. Doors were all locked. We stopped by each day around lunchtime. Maybe they opened later in the day??
 

ddbowdoin

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That's really odd. Diamond Horseshoe was definitely not open the days we were at the MK. Doors were all locked. We stopped by each day around lunchtime. Maybe they opened later in the day??

I think that was the case, they had a sandwich board outside the doors saying they would be offering dining later in the day, I have never been there so I can't comment on the food.
 

captainkidd

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I think that was the case, they had a sandwich board outside the doors saying they would be offering dining later in the day, I have never been there so I can't comment on the food.

The food is very good. Far better than any CS in the park. Years ago, they used to have a show there throughout the day. Was a great place to stop and have lunch.
 

ddbowdoin

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The food is very good. Far better than any CS in the park. Years ago, they used to have a show there throughout the day. Was a great place to stop and have lunch.

MK is a rough place for food... I really enjoy the special burger at PB. I know it's nothing fancy but hits the spot, especially with cheese sauce haha

either that or I go for Caseys
 

captainkidd

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MK is a rough place for food... I really enjoy the special burger at PB. I know it's nothing fancy but hits the spot, especially with cheese sauce haha

either that or I go for Caseys

The chicken at Columbia Harbor House isn't bad. We usually just head over to Wilderness Lodge to have lunch at Whispering Canyon, or to the GF to eat at Grand Floridian Cafe.
 

The Empress Lilly

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Odd. You'd think the last thing Disney would close are all those carts all over the place.

Personally, I'd rather Godzilla all of them into oblivion and get nice, wide walkways in return. Especially around the Rivers of America and World Showcase. Get rid of the crates too.
 

Goofyernmost

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I, as usual, have no way of knowing why they have some open and some closed. Maybe they work on a rotating basis and not all of them are ever open on any day. They do seem pretty close together. The example of ticket booths at MK goes back a long ways and the absolute reality of it is that the advent of the internet greatly reduced the numbers of people that buy tickets when they get there. They usually have them ahead of time, so at one point in their history, all those booths were used, now not that many are needed.

I'm guessing that, as usual, Disney is looking into what areas are attracting the most guests and generate the most revenue and will at some point have those as the only places to get cart service. I am far more frustrated by the lack of enough counter service places in both MK and Epcot. It can be a bear to find a place that isn't packed and find a place to sit down.
We have a restaurant in the area that I lived that was a small, family owned and operated, Italian Restaurant. It is one of the most popular places in town. Every night the booths would fill up and the line of people waiting went from inside the building, out the door and quite a distance up the street. They had the opportunity to move to a much bigger place and refused. The reason they gave at the time is that they would rather have a small place that was always busy and in demand, then a large place that appeared empty. Maybe that is Disney's business philosophy! Who knows! :cool::):p
 

The Empress Lilly

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Three words:
Get rid of the carts, re-open the Adventureland Veranda, the Tomorrowland Terrace, and the FL/LS Aunt Polly's.

Okay, so technically that's like twenty-something-ish words. :oops:
 

aka_emilicious

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[quote"Goofyernmost, post: 5113146, member: 9363"]. I am far more frustrated by the lack of enough counter service places in both MK and Epcot. It can be a bear to find a place that isn't packed and find a place to sit down.
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Not quite on topic, however I COMPLETELY agree in regards to MK QS (I love EPCOT quick service and never seem to have an issue). And I'd like more variety in the quick service offerings as well!
 

scpergj

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The only thing I happened to notice on Sunday at the Magic Kingdom was that some of the carts seemed to be somewhat more combined than I remember - like an ice cream cart right combined with a drink cart, but with two cast members working. Doesn't mean that there weren't closed cart - we happen to bring our own water and refill during the day, and don't really drink soda.

I do seem to remember back a few months ago that the local Coke bottler was having some problems with supply. Might that be the case again, maybe to cut back on the number of bottles sold, kind of point people to cups instead?
 

meekoman

Active Member
As many times as I've been to WDW, the carts are the first to close. Even in mid day, so this really isn't a surprise to hear.
 

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